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Interesting post on Calciopoli! Last post 01-02-2008, 4.53 by Simao. 2 replies.
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  •  08-06-2007, 14.16 41735
    Interesting post on Calciopoli!

    I found this interresting post and I thought you guys might be interested in reading. Enjoy!

     

     

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  • 8/5/2007 8:50 PM I simply cannot get over how misinformed people are still to this day after all that has been documented. Every time there is an article posted about Moggi people come out like Robert, Hungary or Che, Milan, Italy with there propagandist information posting ridiculous disinformation. To you morons I ask you; What games Moggi fixed? NONE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NONE NONE NONE. NO PROOF EXISTS EVEN AFTER ONE WHOLE YEAR!!!!!!! All of your stupid arguments and accusations have been dismantled. Not by Juventus fans but by the sentences and declarations set forth by the very judges instructed by the real powers of Italian football to send Juve to Serie B and Moggi out of soccer. Those sentences were written prior to the case even being closed. It was business and politics…not sport. The case is now the subject of about a dozen appeals all the way up the European ladder and I am adamant that eventually the truth will come out. How can people be interested enough to write about it but not curious enough to read the details of the case? All those “fixed matches” under Moggi were proven regular. There are hundreds of examples of all teams benefitting from referee errors and it would shock you morons to find out that Juventus was NOT the most favored statistically. The stupidest of all arguments is that Juventus won in Italy and failed in Europe because in Italy they controlled the referees or designers. Laugh at yourselves! In the years Moggi was at Juve they went to 4 finals and lifted the trophy in ’96 along with the Euro Supercup and Intercontinental Cup. But if they controlled the referees and fixed matches through them in Italy why were they found not guilty (except De Santis for a game Juve had nothing t do with)? Are you people even aware of the fact that the same person who selected the referees in Italy did so as well for the Champions League games? Read up idiots. If Juve were cheating in Italy through the referee designers they would have been capable of the same thing in Europe based on that accusation. Besides, Inter has been failing in the CL since it was televised on black and white televisions. “Inter doesn’t control the media”????? Are you retarded? Tronchetti Provera owns a television station called LA7 and is coincidentally the biggest sponsor of Inter through Pirelli (his company) and all Italian competitions through TIM (his company). Not to mention the provider of all intercepted phone calls to the prosecution for Calciopoli through Telecom (his company) which is why all Inter’s phone calls went missing. The Gazzetta dello Sport is Italy’s biggest sports trash rag and has two editors and chiefs (Verdelli and Cannavo’) both of which are huge Inter shareholders. Did I mention that the President of that newspaper is also Inter’s Vice President (Buora)? Inform yourselves before posting nonsense. What were Inter’s cheats? Are you serious? They are currently on trial for administrative doping, fraudulent accounting, industrial espionage, and were found guilty of steroid use (Kallon and Georgatos), along with falsification of passports (Recoba and Orialli). Do I need to remind everyone of Facchetti’s numerous phone calls and dinners with referee designers and referees like Bergamo and Nucini? Everyone thinks that Moggi was the scum of Italian soccer and that now it is clean…why then did the 2006-2007 season set the record for most referee errors in a single year (41.3% of all games altered by errors)? The team that benefitted the most from the errors…INTER! Whoever doesn’t believe me can post their email addresses and I’ll gladly send them all the proof I have right in front of me. I am fluent in Italian and have been researching this case for over a year now and have everything from sentences, to appeals, to wire transcripts and can argue my case quite coherently. Juventus and Moggi did nothing to deserve Serie B, the loss of two titles and the expulsion of Moggi for 5 years. At most they violated sportsmanlike conduct rules which merited 3-5 point deductions and a fine not in excess of 100,000 euros. Want to argue with me…go ahead. I’ve schooled and silenced many critics on these threads. Just to be clear…every time someone brings up a game Juventus was “favored” in I’ll respond with a game Inter won or tied due to referee errors (Inter have hundreds trust me). Also, witnesses admitted that Paparesta was never locked in a locker room and he eventually admitted the same. Before responding with more idiotic rebuttals I suggest you find out what games Juve were accused of fixing. They were 3. The first was a game Juve had nothing to do with(Lecce-Parma). The game was possibly fixed to help Fiorentina survive Serie A but the Fiorentina owners (Della Valle’s) contacted Mazzini and Carraro directly (FIGC Vice President and President) to ask for assistance as shown by the wire taps…then they called Bergamo (designer)…WHERE’S MOGGI? The second game had was Juventus-Udinese where Pinzi and Di Michele weren’t allowed to play because they were handed yellow cards (having priors already) in the previous match they had with Bologna. The referee was “instructed” by Moggi to give yellow cards to these players to keep them from playing against Juve the next week. Strangely enough both Pinzi and Di Michele both played against Juve. They never had prior yellows. Lastly there was Sampdoria-Juventus. Apparantly here the referee allowed an offside goal to count for Juventus which permitted Juventus to finish the game 1-0. Truth is the game ended 0-1 for Sampdoria after Aimo Diana scored from an offside position. Still think the case was legit? If yes…you are stupid. It was a set up, an excuse, a power move to get rid of everybody’s biggest threat both physically and commercially…JUVENTUS and sadly there owners (Agnellis) were in on it.

     

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  •  09-25-2007, 16.09 46528 in reply to 41735
    Re: Interesting post on Calciopoli!

    this might be true...look at how far juve has gone down...but i thnk they will be coming up...soon
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  •  01-02-2008, 4.53 52177 in reply to 46528
    Re: Interesting post on Calciopoli!

    Well, I guess we just gonna have to take the anonymous troll's word for it and NOT the sport judge's. Are you seriously telling us that Juve is clean lol? Have you lost your mind? Your main argument is to attack Inter and NOT defend Juve. remember when Zidane, Del Piero and I think Davids and others were in trial for doping? When Zeeman mentioned that and then everyone started taking that issue seriosly till the court find them guilty and prosecuted the doctors responsible for that.

    Moggie has so many other issues one of them is the manipulation of player transfer. Even Figo said that he was close to join Parma early in his career until Moggi interrupted the process and Figo ended up with Barca. And let's not forget the famous SIM cards been handed to some referees by Juve managment lol. Hell, there are even talk that Moggi asked Cannavaro while he was with Inter to play badly so his price would go down so they can afford him.

    I am not saying Inter is a clean, white sheet, they have problems too but they are faaaar less than Juve had and been proven. Monitoring Vieri? This scandal can only effect Vieri negativly which he can sue the club and he is the old person benefiting from this while if you look at Juve, they cheated over the years denying other clubs victories so | guess the range of the consequence in both cases is quite noticable and based on that there was severe damage Juve suffered. Have you forgot the Inter vs Juve game at 98? Becasue we Inter fans haven't and we still think that title should have been ours and I am not surpised that you havent mentioned it and please don't say "They have nothing to do with it". And to answer your commet about the error rate of referees in season 2006/2007, you could only imagine a little of the pressure on the referees after the previous season which they probably spent most of the time in court so I think it is justified.

    You can argue as much as you want but I am really surprised to see you declare "Moggi and Juve are INNOCENT!!!!!! ATTACK INTER IT IS THEIR FAULT NOT OURS" Get over yourself please. Everyone knows how dirty Juve has and probably still.

    P.S, the passports issue was Recoba and Veron, get your facts straight lol you embarrising yourself Mr. I know it all.
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