VALENCIA C.D.F OFFICIAL THREAD Last post 01-15-2008, 20.49 by Gregory. 60 replies.
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  •  11-17-2007, 6.25 50734 in reply to 50403
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    It doesn't matter wich manager Valencia have, it could be Mourinho, it could be Capello, it could be Lippi, it could be whomever. But until Valencia doesn't fix their very obvious flaw they are not going to play good football, Valencia is like an Alfa Romeo with the brakes on. They have huge potential and quality, but there's something that is evidently holding them down. Just as Atletico Madrid, Valencia haves world class wingers in Joaquin Sanches and David Silva, they also have the outstanding David Villa, but until they sign an attacking midfielder they are always going to look the same. I mean, Valencia is an unbalanced team, they have wingers to spare, a couple of defensive mids, quality forwards, but they don't have a single attacking midfielder.

    And it shows as Valencia always looks short on creativity, Valencia depends on the individual genialities of Joaquin, David Silva, Miguel, and David Villa. When Miguel and Joaquin fail to perform their trademark one-two's over the right flank Valencia looks poor. They need a creative player, someone like Juan Roman Riquelme, Deco, Fabregas, or Xavi, someone who can organise and dictate Valencia's midfield (wich by the way haves the potential of playing great football. Joaquin, David Silva, Baraja, etc). At least Ronald Koeman wants to sign Rafael Van der Vaart, a world class playmaker, but the issue with Van der Vaart is that he spends half of his seasons out injured, he's unreliable.

    I personally think it wouldn't hurt Ronald Koeman if he could pay a visit to their neighbors, Villarreal, maybe have a talk with Riquelme. I think Ronald Koeman should stop thinking about the next season and Rafa Van der Vaart. And he should start thinking about now, about January reinforcements, about immediate help, about this season and Juan Roman Riquelme. If Valencia fails to sign a quality creative attacking midfielder by January, there's a huge posibility Valencia might not make it to next season's Champions League. And if Valencia fails to sign both a creative midfielder and a defender worthy of filling Roberto Ayala's boots, Valencia will definitely not qualify for next season's Champions League. Valencia are an unbalanced team without any depth, they have quality players, but they can't afford rotations, and if they keep going like this all season long the key players of Valencia are going to fatigue half-way through the second leg of the season and this could cost them a spot in the 'top four'.

    Everytime Valencia restes their 'key' players (David Villa, Joaquin Sanchez, David Silva, Miguel, etc), Valencia loses the game. They can't keep going like this, they need a better bench / depth, as everytime Valencia performs rotations in an effort to rest their key players - everytime they do this, they lose 3 points. Villarreal is well balanced, haves quality, and is showing consistency. Atletico Madrid could also make it difficult for Valencia. And Sevilla could step into gear. If Ronald Koeman fails to sign what they need (wich is not much, just a quality center-back, and a quality creative midfielder) in January, that will prove the beginning of the end for Ronald Koeman's tenure with Valencia.


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  •  11-18-2007, 3.16 50764 in reply to 50734
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    i still say ronald koeman is a terrible appointment and they DO need a manager like mourinho. a top class manager can get the best out of the players u mentioned above.

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  •  12-16-2007, 8.29 51864 in reply to 50764
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    Yes, valencia need a new coach especially after their 3-0 loos against barca...

    Who??Mourinho is good but i dont expect him to approve..!!!

    Other than Mourinho?They run outof good desiicion..

    Lippi is good but i dont see him in La Liga!




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  •  12-16-2007, 15.48 51871 in reply to 50734
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    OMG!  European teams do not want Riquelme...please refrain, aw man.....ewwww

    David Silva is an attacking midfielder....Valencia's problems are internally a lack of vision and ambition.  The philosophy is fundamental to the success of any club, less anyone looking to be successful.  IT is why Rafael Benitez left in the first place, because they were satisfied to just be competing and not ambitious enough to develop their club to be seen in the same way as Barcelona, Madrid, Milan, United, etc...You'll hardly hear the president of Valencia speak like Jiminez and the president of Sevilla by saying theycan be the best etc...their too negative, it's like a club with a poor self esteem and loads of talent. 

    Their bench isn't bad either, much of these players have been with Valencia for a little while now...Alexis was signed from Getafe as a replacement, so they have players, but they have been slipping even before Ayala.  Normally a Valencia side would've been up there picking up the pieces last season from Barca's collapse and Madrid's ordinary season, but they were barely scrambling in the CL spot.

    It is absolutely unfair to blame Koeman, Valencia were beaten home and away by Rosenberg for goodness sake, before Koeman.  They were beaten by Madrid...everyone was beating them, even ordinary teams...it's like they are slipping into Deportivo La Coruna.  A consistent pattern of injuries show that training habits and routines must be questioned along with the staff etc.  It is depressing to see how Valencia are playing even though  Barca profitted from it.  I always used to put them in the calibre of teams that could beat any of the big teams and they used to do it, be it Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Barcelona, Madrid, etc

    Valencia are in a similar position to England, where no coach may necessarily help them, but any one may just do it....



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  •  12-17-2007, 23.08 51912 in reply to 51864
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    The Soldier:

    Yes, valencia need a new coach especially after their 3-0 loos against barca...

    Who??Mourinho is good but i dont expect him to approve..!!!

    Other than Mourinho?They run outof good desiicion..

    Lippi is good but i dont see him in La Liga!

    i believe the 2 options u just provided are the most feasible. lippi said he wants to manage a club. preferbly in spain. i dont see barca or real madrid hiring him any time soon. with mourinho, if ac sack ancelotti now then jose will not be able to manage valencia. but i said this from the start. koeman was the wrong appointment and i liked their manager before koeman "Quique Sanchez Flores".

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  •  12-18-2007, 13.53 51934 in reply to 51912
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    Koeman was only hired so that we had an ace up our sleeve when it came to negotioations for vDv. If Koeman can actually get hte best out of vDv, and the pair get along wlel, this team will start working, but now we seem to be losing out on vDv as well.

     

    Koeman himself is an absolute barber of a coach - unless we get vDv in Jan, Koeman might not even last the entire season. I can see us scrapping in 14th place in May. And in spain, once you move down the table, its very very hard to get back up.

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  •  12-18-2007, 15.40 51951 in reply to 51934
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    Seeing valencia going through so much trouble really s****s...

    since they are a team that represent spain i believe!!!..

    anywyas welcome radio..

    hope to see u more!




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  •  12-20-2007, 0.27 51979 in reply to 51951
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    Canizares and Albelda are being made scapegoats?

    What are Valencia's problems?  They surely have very good players and a deep squad as well, so it can't be just injuries...It is like they lost confidence for now apparent reason.  I suppose it truly can be the coach deficiencies, but it can't make them that bad right?  Losing against Rosenberg, no disrespect to Rosenberg, was perhaps the lowest point of their season in a CL group that was supposed to be easy.

    Mourinho might be the tonic they need in terms of managerial steel, but if Koeman can take a considerably weaker PSV team last season past decent teams, then surely it shouldn't take a genius to take a team with players superior to Sevilla's players, or more precisely a squad who deserves the tag as automatically 3rd place la liga team, past teams like Rosenberg even if it's 1-0.

    Beware though Deportivo La Coruna were potentially better than Valencia and their meteoric fall from grace was shocking for me as well, after competing with teams like Milan and other top teams in Europe, So Valencia could probably take a leaf out of Sevilla's book and refocus their development immediately, because it is easier to keep good players if you're in Europe than fighting places around 10thplace.

    I sort of like Valencia, but as i suspected, Benitez was right.  They need to show more ambition and develop the club more for the future and not be contented to compete with Barcelona and Madrid.  That's why i say, they can follow what Sevilla has done



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  •  12-20-2007, 3.22 51988 in reply to 51934
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    radioactivenerd:

    Koeman was only hired so that we had an ace up our sleeve when it came to negotioations for vDv. If Koeman can actually get hte best out of vDv, and the pair get along wlel, this team will start working, but now we seem to be losing out on vDv as well.

     

    Koeman himself is an absolute barber of a coach - unless we get vDv in Jan, Koeman might not even last the entire season. I can see us scrapping in 14th place in May. And in spain, once you move down the table, its very very hard to get back up.

    what other option dus vdv have? barca?? real?? surely not anotha german team?

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  •  12-20-2007, 16.23 52004 in reply to 51988
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    Neither Barca nor Madrid would be wise for vdv  - van der vaart!  Juventus, Man City, Tottenham, Valencia, Villareal, maybe Sevilla, Lazio and Athletico MAdrid are viable options if vdv was considering moving.  Barca and MAdrid would put him on the bench, but a german team like Werder bremen and Munich would also work.

    You see, unless vdv is going to put players like messi and so on on the bench for other teams, then it is best for him to go to teams where he can re-establish himself rather than fight for a place for a couple months or a whole season...



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  •  12-21-2007, 6.25 52027 in reply to 52004
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    wont be bayern or werder cause hsv wont allow it. - rivals...but in saying that bayerns power (money wise) could proove too much and hsv may give in.

    is david villa gonna stay at the end of the season or will rafa get him to come to livo (yes anotha spainiard @ livo) and will rafa be @ livo by the end of the season?

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  •  12-21-2007, 16.30 52042 in reply to 52027
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    David Villa may leave, but on his own accord to save his career rather than stick with a rebuilding side.  In David Villa, he's a better striker than Fernando Torres, so Rafa will never get a free reign on him...Chelsea, Barcelona, Man United, Juventus, Milan, Inter etc have all enquired about David Villa at one point.  Torres on the other hand was Athletico Madrid and would never go to Madrid or even Barcelona so easily...

    He won't be at Liverpool for less than 30 million pounds i think...i'm tempted to say 40, but that's a little steep, but he's valuable



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  •  12-22-2007, 22.17 52080 in reply to 52042
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    livo has the cash. torres will influence as well? valencia are only playin for la liga? how are they goin in the copa?

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  •  01-14-2008, 19.20 52370 in reply to 51988
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    Maybe Van Der Vaart could change things in Valencia.. but I'm not so sure, Van Der Vaart is similar to Del Piero in that he's more of a second striker, he isn't a true playmaker, and Valencia needs a playmaker (not a second striker).

    Valencia is badly managed, they are losing out on Van Der Vaart, and now - who are they going to sign?? Valencia needs somone who can provide creativity and distribution, and with Van Der Vaart out of the plans, there's only Diego, Riquelme, Nasri, and a few others left. And everyone knows that neither of those players will sign for Valencia.. Valencia is pretty screwed in my opinion, they are not going to qualify for next season's Champions League, and they have made the mistake of signing Banega.

    Valencia's stupidity is amazing, they didn't even mentioned Riquelme, 'even though Riquelme played right there in Valencia, and was already adapted to Spanish football..', but for some reason they signed Boca Juniors's flop Banega.

    Valencia had it very easy, they lacked creativity, they lacked a playmaker - and for some reason (maybe more than a coincidence) the best playmaker in the world was available and ready to part ways with Villarreal.

    ¿Why did Valencia never even mentioned Riquelme's name, not even when Riquelme practiced right next door with Villarreal? I'm still puzzled, maybe Riquelme was too slow and boring for Valencia, maybe Riquelme was too cheap for Valencia, maybe Riquelme actually was a good signing (unlike Pablo Aimar, Manuel Fernandez and other dissapointments) for Valencia.. I really don't know, but for some unexplainable reason Valencia 'did' signed the 12 million euros Boca Juniors's flop Ever Banega.

    Now Valencia, with a mediocre manager (Koeman), and a mediocre playmaker (Banega) is heading towards failure.


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  •  01-14-2008, 19.53 52371 in reply to 51979
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    Valencia haves some great players in David Villa, Silva, and Joaquin.. however, they don't have a single playmaker - that's why they signed ex Boca Juniors's playmaker Ever Banega - this lack of creativity or attacking midfielders is one of Valencia's main issues, and unfortunately for Valencia Banega is not the answer.

    Valencia should hold on to David Villa for many reasons, but mainly because with a good playmaker he would be deadly.

    And as for the question - What are Valencia's problems?? Their main problem is their organisation, they have no direction at all.. and they are investing 'big' money on average players (Manuel Fernandez, Ever Banega, etc, etc).. In other words, lousy management of the club.


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