Teee:

Gregory:

 

no no no, not remodel....c'mon! 

If you're the manager at Fc Barcelona and you moved to another club say Ac Milan:  it is obvious that you would want to continue working with a few of the players you valued most and proved effective.  So you might want to get Eto'o and Ronaldinho over there given that you would have Kaka to do what Messi might have done....

So if Ranieri is accustomed working with Lampard and liked what he brought, maybe it won't be a bad idea rather than looking for players who he has to learn to communicate with from fresh.  Just a matter of managers liking to work with certain players they worked with in the past.  Nothing different to what Mourinho did with Carvalho & co.

perfectly understandable for a manager to bring back players from his former club, who he likes working with, only he'd be making a BIG mistake if he thought Lampard's game suits italian football, which is where he would be a fool. Lampard isnt in the class of the players you mentioned in your examples.

ronnie and eto would suit serie a football. spainish league is sorta similar to serie a. but lampard adapting to serie a is a different story lol.

well managers make mistakes, but we all could be wrong and Ranieri might actually be shrwed enough to make Lampard successful in Italy, but i doubt.  He'll go back  to England questioning what people say with regards to the EPL being the toughest league because although Juventus, Milan, Inter, Roma & co make it look easy against other teams, it is far from easy.  Ask Ronaldo!

Anyway, any quality footballer can play anywhere they're placed.  Rivaldo still performs in Greece.  However, if you're saying that Gerard amm sorry Lampard and co. are overrated and wouldn't be so classy outside the EPL then that's another story.  But no seriously, Lampard isn't as poor as you guys say, i think he could manage to play at Juventus because he would simply have to do what all other players do when moving to new leagues and other teams ~ ADJUST!  That would make him a better player if he steps up to the challenge and even get back his starting role over Gerrard after all Lampard would be playing with one or two World Champions, whereas Gerrard would be playing with players still trying to prove themselves and some rejects.

However, one Ronnie and Eto, as i said, quality players will perform anywhere you put them.  Ronaldo with all his inuries and fat problems hasn't failed anywhere.

Ronaldo failed miserably at Real Madrid, he has never won a Champions League with anyone, neither with Inter, neither with Real Madrid, and neither with Barcelona. As a matter of fact, Ronaldo has only won one League Title (La Liga, 2002-2003), but he never won a Scudetto with Inter or a La Liga with Barcelona. I wonder how Ronaldo hasn't failed anywhere, in his 5 years with Real Madrid he never won a Champions League, only managed one La Liga (2002-03), and never won a Copa del Rey. Scoring goals and actually achieving things are two different things. Ronaldo achieved the first one, but failed miserably in his achievements. By the way, I'm talking about Ronaldo at club career, not in his International career with Brazil and Rivaldo.

Not only did Eto'o scored more goals than Ronaldo for Barcelona, but Eto'o also made much more assists (plenty of them for a striker). Samuel Eto'o became the first 'La Liga' player since 1990 to score fifty goals over two seasons during the 2005-06 campaign. However, Samuel Eto'o never won FIFA's 'World Player of the Year' award with his amazing displays with Barcelona, it was Ronaldinho. As a matter of fact, Ronaldo won the FIFA World Player of the Year award in his time with Barcelona, he won it even though he never won a single La Liga Title or Copa del Rey with Barcelona, he won it even though he never scored as many goals or assists as Samuel Eto'o for Barcelona.

It makes me wonder, ¿Why as Samuel Eto'o not won a single World Player of the Year award?? Why hasn't he, he was outstanding for Barcelona, he won La Liga with Barcelona, and he won the Champions League with Barcelona, he's done it all with Barcelona, and Barcelona has failed to win a trophy without him (even though they still had Ronaldinho, Deco, and Leo Messi). And I also wonder, ¿Why as Ronaldo won 3 World Player of the Year awards?? Youd think, he surely won plenty of League Titles, and Champions Leagues. But in reality, Ronaldo only won a League, La Liga 2002-03, and apart from that he has never won a single Scudetto or Champions League. Youd think Ronaldo won plenty 'Scudettos' with Inter, given the almost mytical form that fans describe, but Ronaldo only won a UEFA Cup (1998). Youd think Ronaldo made plenty of Apperances for Inter given his legendary talk, but in reality Ronaldo only made 69 Appearances in 5 Years/Seasons for Inter. The same goes for Ronaldo's time with Cruzeiro, Barcelona, PSV, and Real Madrid. Ronaldo hasn't been infuential for any of his club teams, as a matter of fact Ronaldo is indifferent in each of his club's histories.

And yes Ronaldo as been very successful with AC Milan, only managing 14 appearances in 5 months is very successful.

As far as I know, Samuel Eto'o as been far more successful in Barcelona than Ronaldo. And I never hear anyone talking about Eto'o in Barcelona in the same way they talk about Ronaldo in Barcelona. In only his 2nd season with Barcelona, Samuel Eto'o managed to win both La Liga and the UEFA Champions League - Now that's not failing, that's achieving something.

And I don't get what is Gregory's insistence with Frank Lampard playing in the Italian Serie A. Juventus doesn't need Frank Lampard at all, can't you see that!! they do not need Lampard at all. They are lacking creativity, creative players, since when as Lampard been a top creative player?? Juventus needs someone like Juan Roman Riquelme, Xavi, Deco, or Fabregas, someone who can organise and dictate Juventus's play. Someone who can actually play in the tight-small spaces of the Serie A and La Liga, Riquelme as proven himself in La Liga, and the same goes for Xavi and Deco. Why would Ranieri risk it for Frank Lampard?? Why would he, when he haves Juan Roman Riquelme available and cheaper than Lampard.

By the way, Steven Gerrard is much better than Frank Lampard.

entusiasta:

By the way, Steven Gerrard is much better than Frank Lampard.

so wuld he have a better chance of adapting to serie a football than lampard? but there is no way gerrard will be @ juve, he is liverpool till he retires!

I really find it difficult for gerrerad and Lampard to adopt to any kind of play outside england...

They are the players for england....

That's it..in my opinion

Gregory:

well managers make mistakes, but we all could be wrong and Ranieri might actually be shrwed enough to make Lampard successful in Italy, but i doubt.  He'll go back  to England questioning what people say with regards to the EPL being the toughest league because although Juventus, Milan, Inter, Roma & co make it look easy against other teams, it is far from easy.  Ask Ronaldo!

Anyway, any quality footballer can play anywhere they're placed.  Rivaldo still performs in Greece.  However, if you're saying that Gerard amm sorry Lampard and co. are overrated and wouldn't be so classy outside the EPL then that's another story.  But no seriously, Lampard isn't as poor as you guys say, i think he could manage to play at Juventus because he would simply have to do what all other players do when moving to new leagues and other teams ~ ADJUST!  That would make him a better player if he steps up to the challenge and even get back his starting role over Gerrard after all Lampard would be playing with one or two World Champions, whereas Gerrard would be playing with players still trying to prove themselves and some rejects.

However, one Ronnie and Eto, as i said, quality players will perform anywhere you put them.  Ronaldo with all his inuries and fat problems hasn't failed anywhere.

Gerrard can make things happen, Lampard often needs deflections. Excellent players should have the attribute of adjusting like you say, but Lampards is good, not excellent.  So when you speak of 'quality players' you cant mention Lampard in the same breath as the examples you mentioned, coz he's nowhere near them 'quality' - wise.

back to Juve matters @ hand. is chiellini still @ Juve?

heck.. what do i care anyhow, let Ranierri get whoever he wants

lol, if juve dun want him i hope inter swoop for him.

man i hope he doesnt go back to argentina

chiellini?

yeah yeah yeah...lol~ Is Gerrard & Lampard a failure with England?  England vs Croatia: 2-3.  What I know is that if Ronaldinho's Brazil didn't beat Croatia or Russia, this forum would've been filled with how Brazil and Barcelona should drop Ronaldinho, but here they blame Lampard.  I don't care much about Lampard, he's English, he will barely get chance to win a trophy much less qualify for major tournaments ~ i hope England don't get Croatia and Russia in their group for World Cup Qualifiers...

Anyway, to this foolishness Entusiasta is talking about:  Where did Ronaldo Fail? 

You're obviously on a sweet drug to say that Ronaldo hasn't been influential for any of his club teams when everyone who played with Ronaldo including Ancelotti recent comments disagree.  Obviously Inter Milan was a blimp and the Uefa Cup was a fake trophy as well as the Cup winners' cup with Barcelona and he was missing when Real Madrid won the La Liga title with his 23 goals.  Look, Ronaldo's choice to leave Barcelona was his biggest club mistake and it led to his under achieving if you can call it that at club level....but he showed why he was one of the best strikers in the world, especially in Madrid's humiliation of Man United at Old trafford as only one occasion.

Anyway, you've obviously awaken from a slumber, so i'll excuse your ignorance seeing as the footballing WORLD disagrees with your reasoning about Ronaldo.  This has to be reverse psychology to attack me on Riquelme being better than he is again,  cause  I can say that Riquelme is not influential for Argentina either...but he beat Columbia Brazil Bolivia and Ronaldo couldn't inspire Brazil past France even once.  hmmm France vs Bolivia...

Oh by the way, a controversial topic ~ Why is Gerrard better than Lampard?  And you can go and watch Riquelme play in extinction at Boca Juniors and die a slow death.

Talking about ignorance, yes Ronaldo has a dissapointing club career - 1 UEFA Cup, 1 League Title (La Liga) and a couple of unimportant trophies isn't successful or influential. Where's the UEFA Champions League trophy, where's the Spanish Copa del Rey (Spain's second most important competition), where's the Eredivisie, where's the Brazilian Championship (Brazilian League Title), where's the Scudetto. Oh I'll tell you who didn't won those very important trophies - the teams that had Ronaldo playing for them. Ronaldo never won a Scudetto with Inter, or a La Liga (or Copa del Rey) with Barcelona, or the Eredivisie with PSV Eindhoven, or the Brazilian Championship with Cruzeiro. I don't know if you noticed it (maybe you're conveniently ignoring it), but those are not average teams, and Ronaldo only won 1 UEFA Cup and 1 League Title (La Liga) in his whole career - How in hell can you call that successful!! No that aint successful!! That's dissapointing!!

Unlike Ronaldo, Diego Armando Maradona is well written in the history books of Napoli, he's been the most infuential player ever in Napoli's history. As a matter of fact Diego Maradona was far more successful with Napoli than Ronaldo has ever been - 2 Scudettos and 1 UEFA CUP, those are very important trophies right there unlike Ronaldo's Cup winners' cup, etc.. Diego Maradona won more league titles with Napoli than Ronaldo in his whole career, how embarrasing!! Ask me this Gregory - Why is it that Real Madrid won the Spanish La Liga after years of not doing so just after Ronaldo was sacked by Capello??

And as for influential and successful club careers the same goes for Juan Roman Riquelme - far far more succesful than Ronaldo at club level. Riquelme is Boca Juniors's greatest legend ever, Riquelme spells Maradona in 'The Bombonera', 3 Argentine Championships, 3 Copa Libertadores, and 1 Intercontinental Cup. The impressive thing about Riquelme is that he's also the most influential and successful player in Villarreal's history. Those are two clubs!! Riquelme is well written in the history of two clubs!! Now tell me what is so successful about Ronaldo at Real Madrid?? Real Madrid was doing a lot better with Raul and Morientes!! in fact Real Madrid are doing a lot better in actuality without Ronaldo!! and same goes for Barcelona. Truth be told, Ronaldo has not been infuential or outstanding in any of his clubs - scoring goals and actually achieving something are two completely different things.

And as for Riquelme and Boca Juniors, you are showing your immense ignorance once again Gregory - since when is Boca Juniors a place for extinction??

...so

dino u still here mate?

Yeah just like Juventus did better without Zidane...listen you're wasting time, learn some philosophy or whatever to find out why great players don't win trophies.

I've said it before and i think you should know by now, that football doesn't owe players anything ~ it is them that want to play football, not football come asking them to play.  Not because Ronaldo was scoring many goals did that guarantee that he would be winning trophies.  Forlan and Makaay are just two of many perfect examples where their contributions were outstanding but their teams were not winning leagues and champions leagues etc.  Andy Johnson, Riquelme...the list is long with players who produce high standards of play, but didn't win major trophies for it.

While you conveniently compare Maradona only at Napoli with Ronaldo's one season at Barcelona, you neglect to mention that Ronaldo is FAR more successful at international level than Maradona...you don't hear me talking about Maradona disappointing with Argentina.  There is a HUGE difference between under-achieve and under-perform which you seem to tie to disappoint. 

Why Real Madrid won the spanish league after years of not doing so just after Ronaldo was sacked by Capello?  Simple!  Barcelona FAILED!  Why do you think Ronaldinho and co. even in this season are being so heavily criticised?  Why do you think that people ARE STILL NOT calling Madrid such a great side even as defending Champions?  Nothing to do with Madrid's excellence per se, so much as it is to do with Barcelona's obvious failure.  While Barcelona were winning, Madrid were still always qualifying for the Champions league, coming 2nd to Barcelona the season before...it's just simple logic that if Barcelona mess up badly as they did, that Madrid would be there waiting to pick up the pieces.

Inter Milan ~ obviously only won two scudettos because of Juventus' problems!  They weren't exactly winning Scudettos all along and so Ronaldo and any other player, even Riquelme can't take not championship teams ON THEIR OWN and suddenly win trophies.  Other teams have very good players as well, Mr. Entusiasta ~ England obviously didn't realise that either, so i excuse you...

Let me repeat, Ajax were a great team when Ronaldo joined PSV.  If he broke the scoring record in Holland, then how many more goals do you want him to score to make PSV win trophies.  He's human and only a striker and a half.  Not even the whole of Europe were getting Ajax beat easily, much less a prolific Ronaldo with obviously a lesser calibre PSV than Ac Milan's etc.

Cruzeiro, He played ONE season as well....You know what happens in South America ~ look how Pato was snapped up before he can do a whole lot in Brazil by Ac Milan, but Ronaldo did manage to score a bit of goals and be considered influential enough to make a World Cup squad, even if he spent most of it on the bench at 16.

Ronaldo went to Madrid in a time when most of the squad were on their way down.  Since that, Zidane left, Roberto Carlos left, Makelele left long time, Morientes went out, Solari left, Hierro AND del Bosque left, Salgado was faltering, Raul wasn't scoring ANY goals, Figo had his troubles and so on.

Yes, Ronaldo's club career has been unfortunate, but it was not due to his lack of performance that caused it, it was just how the luck of the draw.  The same way one would argue that if Brazil had to play Argentina instead of France that, Brazil would've been in a semi-final playing whoever made it.  So it was left to his individual performances just like that of Rivaldo, Gerrard, Shearer, Vieri etc.   Raul was lucky to have gotten the chance to play at Madrid, because if he'd been like other good players and played at Bilbao, Villareal etc., he wouldn't have won many Champions Leagues & leagues either