Most overrated players. Last post 06-23-2008, 1.32 by torresno.9. 181 replies.
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  •  10-17-2007, 16.46 48726 in reply to 48704
    Re: Most overrated players.

    LOL - I DID SOME MORE 4kin RESEARCH!  Ronaldinho won the same Intertoto Cup at PSG { Paris Saint-Germain}  IN HIS FIRST SEASON!   He brought a Barcelona team from struggling into the CL by the skin of their teeth with Rivaldo to 2nd place, almost titled.

    Ronaldinho was part of the first ever Brazilian team to win the  U17s championship!

    Argentine caps: 43*

    Brazilian caps:  100*

     It's better not to be special and get play for your country who wins a world cup while you contribute than be special and be "underrated" by persons who've been living on mars while Riquelme was at Boca Juniors.   He wasn't special, but PSG had to choose between Manchester United & Barcelona and profitted with 20+ million.  Riquelme was special and Barcelona paid 12 million.  He must be special now for sure if Chelsea and Ac Milan( one of the biggest clubs in the world) was willing to pay up to 80 million, with Milan even willing to allow Kaka and Ronaldinho to play at Barcelona the season after.  However, Riquelme is "underrated", but everyone considers him special, hence the hype surrounding Athletico Madrid upon hearing the rumour,  but special and Ac Milan won't spend half of 80 million to get him.

    In 2001 he left Gremio for Paris St. Germain (PSG) but was unable to make his debut because of contract rows, until 3 months later when FIFA stepped in.  In 2002 Ronaldinho was voted France’s player of the month for January after hitting 6 goals in 7 games for PSG.   After playing well for Barca Ronaldinho was named as one of the 11 greatest living footballers, announced by FIFA and chosen by Brazil legend Pele.  Then, Ronaldinho scored 15 league goals to inspire an improved Barcelona to 2nd place in La Liga.

    Maybe, ha ha ha, the folks at Germio and PSG didn't appreciate the genius of Ronaldinho, just like people seem to do with Riquelme, but somehow, the folks in the Brazilian national team knew something that the folks at Germio and PSG didn't, while the folks in the argentina national team couldn't see a star at Boca Juniors? It's not like Ronaldinho was winning trophies, but Riquelme was.  And surely, Riquelme should've been playing for Argentina before Ronaldinho played for Brazil.  Maybe , the people IN ARGENTINA, didn't like Riquelme either while in Brazil, they all loved Ronaldinho from his days of winning trophies and accolades with Germio

    You know what?  Maybe we can compare Rivaldo with Riquelme, afterall, Rivaldo has made all teams he played on better and he never got a look-in at Ac Milan, just like Riquelme and Barcelona.  Most people didn't "like" Rivaldo either.  But i wonder what the difference is...Interestingly enough, Kaka kept Rivaldo on the bench.



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  •  10-17-2007, 17.13 48727 in reply to 48704
    Re: Most overrated players.
    entusiasta:
    PSG highlights are bad, ineffective moves that ended up doing nothing.. Ronaldinho was a failure in PSG.. Do you want me to bring out his stats at PSG, becasue Ronaldinho was given plenty of opportunities.. In fact PSG signed Ronaldinho hoping the Brazilian would qualify them for a Champions League.. However he couldn't even manage to lead PSG to a top four finish in the 'French League'

    You have to be totally nuts......Some of the best goals Ronaldinho ever scored were for PSG. Some of the best moves ever and the most visionary passes ever were for PSG. Go on YouTube or download a couple of them before you embarrass yourself any further

    entusiasta:
    This was ver funny, "Finally, Ronaldinho mightn't have been PSG's saviour...but look at what *** they were in ever since he left.", yeah right.. So that explains that Ronaldinho was an average player in Gremio - one of the best teams in Brazil.. All the managers that coached Ronaldinho in Gremio are very surprised with Dinho's succes, becasue they say that Ronaldinho was nothing special.. Ever since he left PSG?? what did Ronaldinho ever did for PSG, he was either partying all nights, or the holidays in Brazil would dragg on forever and never end at the time scheduled

    A quote for the above statement would be most appreciated (as in a credible link and not more nonesense that you keep pulling out of your @$$ ).....As far as I remember he was one of the most promising youngsters in the game.....to make things worse EVERYBODY wanted him when he was leaving PSG : ManU, Barca, Real....all the big clubs wanted him- meaning that Alex Ferguson and Co knew what a great player he is and knew that Fernandez's stupidity cost him one of the world's greatest players.

    entusiasta:
    Why did one of the biggest clubs in the World buy him right afterwards? Oh drucurl why do you ask questions you alreday know the answer, it's pretty fucking obvious - the 2002 World Cup - where Ronaldinho made his name, before that he was just another 'Denilson' in Europe..

     

    The fact of the matter is; 'Ronaldinho as only proven himself with Barcelona and Brazil..'

    Even if that is true....those two happen to be two of the most prestigious teams in the world and he has won the most prestigious titles with them.......it's kinda dumb for you to say that really...it's kinda like saying that Bill Gates only proved himself with Microsoft and was s#!t when he worked with Steve Jobs.

    entusiasta:
    'At Gremio and PSG, he was nothing outstanding.. even Ronaldinho himself admits it..' And in the World Cup 2006 when the responsibility was given to him, Ronaldinho completely shocked, he was a complete failure at World Cup 06 and so whas Brazil
    Ronaldinho was already impressive in the youth teams for Brazil. The brazilian coach of Trinidad and Tobago at the time professor Rene Simoes had the privilege of coaching him and recognised that despite his tremendous talent he still had areas that he was very weak in (Ronaldinho worked on these areas as the coach later related and is now one of the most unstoppable players the game has ever seen). Ronaldinho hardly rates his own performances because unlike Riquelme he is a very humble person. He has often said that he doesn't consider himself the best player at Barca when he is arguably the best in the world.

    entusiasta:
    drucurl, Wigan was bigger than Villarreal, I don't know if you knew it, but the 'yellow submarine' is a referrence for - they consistently submerged into second division, and emerged into the top division, just like a submarine.. this is why they are called the 'Yellow Submarine'.. However after Riquelme, the yellow submarine as established himself as a consistent La Liga team.. However I repeat Villarreal was a very very very small club.. much smaller than PSV, Gremio, PSG, or Wigan......

    I don't know how such a "small club" can make big signings like Riquelme, Forlan, Sorin, Pires, Rossi etc etc.....You must be crazy to think that Villareal is smaller than Wigan!!

    Whatever I see you will say anythink to defend your opinion-no matter how erroneous it might be.

    entusiasta:
    A fact; Riquelme has only played for Boca Juniors and Villarreal.. the minutes he played in Barcelona are embarrasing.. And no-big Eurpean club as ever given Riquelme an opportunity

    He FLOPPED at Barca......Rivaldo was very much disliked by Van Gaal who continuously played him out of position.....But Van Gaal was FORCED to play him because he was so damn good even out of position......Becks was disliked by Capello who ALSO sought to freeze him out...we all know how that went!! Becks too was played out of the position that he wanted....If you saw the way Riquelme played when in Barca then you wouldn't make such an absurd comment.....Even when comming on as a sub - subs are usually eager to impress, bursting their lungs on the field.....I kept watching him with disgust as he didn't  seem to break a sweat most of the time.

    entusiasta:
    I'm the one who's tyred of repeating myself; If a European big club actually signs Riquelme and gives Riquelme plenty of opportunities to deliver.. and Riquelme fails to deliver and dissapoints, after this happens, and only after this can you or everyone else state that Riquelme can only performe for Boca Juniors.. But the fact remains the same - the only big club Riquelme has ever played for is Boca Juniors and he haves an unprecedented record with Boca and in South America.. In fact Boca Juniors had the best years of his history (pretty old club) with Riquelme has their key player.

    Sorry sport but big clubs simply ain't the nurturing ground for players to come into their own....Juve booted out Henry after one season, Milan did it with Vieria,Davids, Ayala, Elber, ManU did it with Rossi and Forlan, Barca did it with Pique and Fabregas etc etc etc.......... most of these players again proved their worth at other clubs by not only playing brilliantly (as Riquelme has done) but also by being consistent (which is his biggest flaw- after all even you admit his lethargy)

    You don't get PLENTY of opportunities at big clubs. But if you DO impress with the few you are given, you are accpted as was Kaka for instance

     


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  •  11-08-2007, 2.18 50217 in reply to 48727
    Re: Most overrated players.

    Gary Neville The 86th Best Player Of All Time?  What the ***?

    The Association of Football Statisticians has drawn up a list of the top 100 footballers of all time and placed Gary Neville in 86th place, with Diego Maradona only in sixth.

    The AFS Top 100 In Full:

    1 Pele Brazil

    2 Ronaldo Brazil

    3 Romario Brazil

    4 Luis Figo Portugal

    5 Zinedine Zidane France

    6 Diego Maradona Argentina

    7 Lothar Matthaus Germany

    8 Gerd Muller Germany

    9 Franz Beckenbauer Germany

    10 Cafu Brazil

    11 Roberto Carlos Brazil

    12 Marco van Basten Holland

    13 Michel Platini France

    14 Rivaldo Brazil

    15 Paolo Maldini Italy

    16 Zico Brazil

    17 Raul Spain

    18 Ruud Gullit Holland

    19 Eusebio Portugal

    20 Ferenc Puskas Hungary

     

    How the hell does Gary Neville make any top 100 list that any football nuisance draws up?  I guess though Drucurl somebody agrees with us on Ronaldo…#2 The phenom, I truly thinks he deserves a top 5 of all time, with #2 not being far fetched.  Taffarel #88 was pretty ordinary too, but hey Gary Neville is #86, so…Riquelme is ##...lol.  I mean Neville played for Manchester United, so those trophies counted while the times he's been captain made alot of difference.  It might also contribute to why Ronaldo(2) and Maradona(6) are so low...lol.  I guess the person comiling this list would also question Teee and Entusiasta about Riquelme's ligitimacy as the best.



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  •  11-08-2007, 15.44 50245 in reply to 50217
    Re: Most overrated players.
    Gregory:

    Gary Neville The 86th Best Player Of All Time?  What the ***?

    The Association of Football Statisticians has drawn up a list of the top 100 footballers of all time and placed Gary Neville in 86th place, with Diego Maradona only in sixth.

    The AFS Top 100 In Full:

    1 Pele Brazil

    2 Ronaldo Brazil

    3 Romario Brazil

    4 Luis Figo Portugal

    5 Zinedine Zidane France

    6 Diego Maradona Argentina

    7 Lothar Matthaus Germany

    8 Gerd Muller Germany

    9 Franz Beckenbauer Germany

    10 Cafu Brazil

    11 Roberto Carlos Brazil

    12 Marco van Basten Holland

    13 Michel Platini France

    14 Rivaldo Brazil

    15 Paolo Maldini Italy

    16 Zico Brazil

    17 Raul Spain

    18 Ruud Gullit Holland

    19 Eusebio Portugal

    20 Ferenc Puskas Hungary

     

    How the hell does Gary Neville make any top 100 list that any football nuisance draws up?  I guess though Drucurl somebody agrees with us on Ronaldo…#2 The phenom, I truly thinks he deserves a top 5 of all time, with #2 not being far fetched.  Taffarel #88 was pretty ordinary too, but hey Gary Neville is #86, so…Riquelme is ##...lol.  I mean Neville played for Manchester United, so those trophies counted while the times he's been captain made alot of difference.  It might also contribute to why Ronaldo(2) and Maradona(6) are so low...lol.  I guess the person comiling this list would also question Teee and Entusiasta about Riquelme's ligitimacy as the best.

    I Surely see some good and bad stuff..!!

    Ronadlo Surely deserves being the second...

    Maradona may deserve getting atleast 3 more positions....

    Maldini Also deserves to have some more Positions..

    And even being aBrazil Fan i wouldnt put ROmario the third....

    Gregory can you post the whole list plz!




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  •  11-08-2007, 17.05 50255 in reply to 50245
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    The AFS Top 100 In Full:

    1 Pele Brazil

    2 Ronaldo Brazil

    3 Romario Brazil

    4 Luis Figo Portugal

    5 Zinedine Zidane France

    6 Diego Maradona Argentina

    7 Lothar Matthaus Germany

    8 Gerd Muller Germany

    9 Franz Beckenbauer Germany

    10 Cafu Brazil

    11 Roberto Carlos Brazil

    12 Marco van Basten Holland

    13 Michel Platini France

    14 Rivaldo Brazil

    15 Paolo Maldini Italy

    16 Zico Brazil

    17 Raul Spain

    18 Ruud Gullit Holland

    19 Eusebio Portugal

    20 Ferenc Puskas Hungary

    21 Johan Cruyff Holland

    22 Alfredo di Stefano Argentina

    23 Bobby Charlton England

    24 Jurgen Klinsmann Germany

    25 Kenny Dalglish Scotland

    26 Ali Daei Iran

    27 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge Germany

    28 Gabriel Batistuta Argentina

    29 Michael Laudrup Denmark

    30 Hristo Stoichkov Bulgaria

    31 Dennis Bergkamp Holland

    32 Frank Rijkaard Holland

    33 Thierry Henry France

    34 Pavel Nedved Czech Rep

    35 Gheorghe Hagi Romania

    36 Peter Schmeichel Denmark

    37 Andrei Shevchenko Ukraine

    38 Sepp Maier Germany

    39 Didier Deschamps France

    40 Lilian Thuram France

    41 Enzo Francescoli Uruguay

    42 Hakan Sukur Turkey

    43 Paolo Rossi Italy

    44 David Beckham England

    45 Jean-Pierre Papin France

    46 Kevin Keegan England

    47 Marcel Desailly France

    48 Oliver Kahn Germany

    49 Alessandro Costacurta Italy

    50 Clarence Seedorf Holland

    51 Dino Zoff Italy

    52 Patrick Kluivert Holland

    53 Jari Litmanen Finland

    54 Daniel Passarella Arg

    55 Bixente Lizarazu France

    56 Gary Lineker England

    57 Ronaldhino Brazil

    58 Sylvain Wiltord France

    59 Bebeto Brazil

    60 Alessandro Del Piero Italy

    61 Davor Suker Croatia

    62 Ryan Giggs Wales

    63 David Trezeguet France

    64 Demetrio Albertini Italy

    65 Patrick Vieira France

    66 Jurgen Kohler Germany

    67 Laurent Blanc France

    68 Michael Owen England

    69 Youri Djorkaeff France

    70 Frank De Boer Holland

    71 Emilio Butragueno Spain

    72 Hugo Sanchez Mexico

    73 Rudi Voller Germany

    74 Djalma Santos Brazil

    75 Giacinto Facchetti Italy

    76 Kanu Nigeria

    77 Franco Baresi Italy

    78 Gianni Rivera Italy

    79 Roberto Baggio Italy

    80 Oscar Ruggeri Argentina

    81 Gheorghe Popescu Romania

    82 Jon D Tomasson Denmark

    83 Raymond Kopa France

    84 Carlos Valderrama Colombia

    85 Rui Costa Portugal

    86 Gary Neville England

    87 Edgar Davids Holland

    88 Claudio Taffarel Brazil

    89 Paul Scholes England

    90 Diego Simeone Argentina

    91 Bryan Robson England

    92 Roy Keane Rep of Ireland

    93 Brian Laudrup Denmark

    94 Henrik Larsson Sweden

    95 Fabien Barthez France

    96 Michael Ballack Germany

    97 Jan Koller Czech Republic

    98 Edwin van der Sar Holland

    99 Robert Pires France

    100 Johan Neeskens Holland



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  •  11-09-2007, 9.21 50286 in reply to 50255
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    So let me get it straight, according 'The AFS'; Ronaldo is better than Johan Cruijff, Alfredo di Stefano, and Michel Platini?? That's just funny in my opinion.

    Alessandro Del Piero better than Roberto Baggio?? That's ridiculous, and unaceptable from anyone who knows about football.

    Diego Maradona in 6th place?? Diego Maradona is loads and loads better than either Romàrio or Ronaldo. The mere comparison of Ronaldo with Maradona is ridiculous!!

    And the most embarrasing thing about this unfunny joke the 'AFS' pulled off is that apparently the 1990s was the best era of football players. Given that Luis Figo is 4th, Zinedine Zidane is 5th, Romàrio is 3rd, Ronaldo is 2nd, Rivaldo is 14th, Paolo Maldini is 15th, Roberto Carlos is 11th, Raul is in 17th, Gabriel Batistuta is 28th, Pavel Nedved in 34th, Thierry Henry is in 33rd, Andrie Shevshenko is in 37th, etc.. This is very embarrasing, what a load of crap. The AFS is a huge fat joke.

    Gabriel Batistuta better than Roberto Baggio?? First of all Roberto Baggio accomplished far more than Batistuta. Second of all Roberto Baggio scored more goals than Batistuta, and lastly that is simply ridiculous.

    Franz Beckenbauer better than Johan Cruijff?? Beckenbauer himself as stated that behind Pele comes Johan Cruijff, Beckenbauer will be the first one to say that Cruijff is better than him, Cruijff was a better player.

    Gheorge Hagi in 35th place?? This player was outclassed in a World Cup by Carlos Valderrama!! and Roberto Baggio was far superior to him!! World Cup 1994 watch it!! This list is really impressive in that it is beyong ignorance.

    Ronaldo is not in the top 5, the fact that he is 2nd is beyond insanity. It is completely ridiculous to state that David Beckham, David Trezeguet, Raul, Ronaldinho, etc.. are better than Roberto Baggio. It is even more ridiculous to state that Ronaldo, Romario, Luis Figo, and Zinedine Zidane are better than Diego Maradona, Alfredo di Stefano, Johan Cruijff, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, or Michel Platini.

    Lastly, that list is complete nonesense, embarrasing, ridiculous, and it is an insult towards legends like Diego Maradona, Johan Cruijff, Alfredo di Stefano, Roberto Baggio, George Best, Michel Platini, Mat Le Tissier, etc.. This list is a complete lack of respect for football, carelessly made, and it simply shows that 'The AFS' is lacking people who actually watch football and have knowledge about football and about football's greatest players. And no the 1990s was not the greatest era of football players.

     


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  •  11-09-2007, 19.08 50322 in reply to 50286
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    You don't like the Brazilian eh...Ronaldo was and continues to be special.  Cruyff was part of a dream team that lost 4-0 in a Champions League final, he and that team obviously had their flaws, just like you'd argue about Ronaldinho & co.  I think Ronaldo made bad choices personally.  If he went to Juventus or Ac Milan, if he had  to leave Barcelona at all, he would've been the greatest striker the world saw, but he went to Inter Milan ~ enough said.

    Well having seen Roberto Baggio play, i can't much say that he's clearly better than Ronaldo.  Actually I prefer Ronaldo.  However, this is compiiled according to your beloved crutch ~ Statistics!  You'd be amazed what statistics will tell you when it comes to rating footballers and sports persons.  I don't find it so far fetched, except for some inclusions such as Gary Neville.

    Carlos Valderrama is obviously another one of your personal player obsessions.  He wasn't that good for me...he was good.  Not as good as Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Cruyff, Maradona, Zidane, Zico, Baggio...for me, he was at the bottom of the pile of legends, obviously except in columbia.  Franz Beckenbauer saying that cruyff is 2nd to pele doesn't automatically make it gospel, it just means that he think Cruyff was an extremely very good player.  Platini couldn't do what Zidane did and same goes for George Best and Cruyff. 

    So if you want to question the list, you should find out the criteria they're using to distinguish the players.  These things can't often be shown scientifically, so there will always be problems.  I think that ronaldo deserves a top 5 for sure, but to say #2, i don't know...he is he phenom with good reason

     



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  •  11-09-2007, 21.18 50326 in reply to 50322
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    Franz Beckanbauer played against both; Pele and Johan Cruijff, and Beckenbauer as stated more than once that after Pele comes Cruijff. Trust me, Franz Beckenbauer knows far more about football than anyone of those AFS clowns, Beckenbauer played on the pitch alonside legends as Pele and Cruijff, and Beckenbauer knows the sport unlike the guys-in-suits who think they know better than the actual legends themselves.

    No it's not that Carlos Valderrama is one of my favourites, it's just that the World Cup 1990 is well recorded in history, and I don't know if you watched it, but both Gheorge Hagi and Carlos Valderrama played in it. And guess what, Carlos Valdderrama showed more class than George Hagi in that World Cup, Carlos Valderrama was the reason Colombia was the only team that didn't lose against Germany (with the likes of Rudi Voller and Klinsman).

    Gregory you must ask yourself, ¿Could it be that Carlos Valderrama played most of his career in South American Football?? That is very obvious, The AFS guys completely underrate players from South American football, and they also underrate the Copa Libertadores a Cup that unlike the Champions League doesn't haves dinasties - like for example, Alfredo di Stefano and Real Madrid who won 5 straight Champions League/European Cup (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960), that as never happened in the Copa Libertadores's history not even when Pele's Santos was the dominating club in the world.

    In fact Eric Cantona a football legend haves Carlos Valderrama in his all-time best 11. Why would that be, Eric Cantona played with and against plenty of legends, he only played for 2 or 3 seasons with Carlos Valderrama and he regards Carlos Valderrama as one of the best players he ever played with. Only true class would impress a legend such as Eric Cantona.

    And Ronaldo was outstanding, everybody knows it, but Ronaldo was the best player in the world when he played for PSV and Barcelona, afer that came Inter, and in Inter with his serious injury and all that Ronaldo was never the same player again. 3 years of outstanding play does not wins you 2nd best player of all time, I'm sorry but that's unnaceptable. Alfredo di Stefano was outstanding through out his career, and the same goes for Johan Cruijff, Roberto Baggio, and many others..

    This are basi facts about football; Alfredo di Stefano and Johan Cruijff are both better than Ronaldo, that's not even arguable. George Best was an alcoholic throughout his career and this limited his great potential. But nevertheless, George Best is widely recognised as the player with the greatest potential of them all, when George Best was in his prime nobody touched him, not even Ronaldo in his Barcelona days (wich only lasted 1 season by the way, season 1996-97).

    And it is another very basic fact about football that Roberto Baggio is better than Alessandro Del Piero, David Trezeguet, Francesco Totti, Luis Figo, David Beckham, Pavel Nedved, Ronaldinho, Gheorge Hagi, Dennis Bergkamp, and many others.. As for Ronaldo and Roberto Baggio, statistically speaking Roberto Baggio is better (more goals and more assists than Ronaldo), in his performances Roberto Baggio was also better; he scored, he created goals, he scored free-kicks, he scored penalties, he made corners, he had pace, he had technique, he had dribbling, he was a very complete player.. Only Italian attacker to have won a 'World Player of the Year' award, it wasn't for nothing that he won both the 'European Player of the Year' and 'World Player of the Year awards' in 1993. Roberto Baggio was also the best young player in the 1990 World Cup, he was the best player in the 1994 World Cup, and he showed his class again in the 1998 World Cup. Roberto Baggio is the only Italian player to have scored goals in 3 World Cups, of course fact remains he never won a World Cup, nevertheless he never had a partner such as Rivaldo.

    Lastly, were is Fernando Hierro (one of the best Spanish player ever), were is Mat Le Tissier (the midfielder with most goals in the EPL history), and were is George Best???


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  •  11-10-2007, 15.46 50373 in reply to 42249
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    i have to agree raul and rooney are the most over rated ...

     

    most underrated is alberto gilardino and daniel derossi...

     

     


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  •  11-10-2007, 17.35 50387 in reply to 50373
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    Francesco Totti:

    i have to agree raul and rooney are the most over rated ...

     

    most underrated is alberto gilardino and daniel derossi... 

    If you think Gila and DeRossi are underrated you've obviously never met either the Milan or Roma fans. Truth be told though Gila is crap (this from a Milan fan)


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  •  11-10-2007, 18.25 50394 in reply to 50387
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    Truth is too, that while Totti argues that Rooney is overrated and Gilardino is underrated ~ i simply think that both Ronney and gilardino are quite similar.  Gilardino was found out earlier as overrated and Rooney, well he's English...lol.

    I wouldn't say though that Raul is overrated, too much, he's good, but am..he doesn't do what David Villa and Fernando Torres can't exactly do.  They've shown it.  Actually, in one game, Raul Tamudo showed that he should've been given a chance too, but Raul plays at Real MAdrid, while Rooney plays at Manchester United, two of the biggest clubs in their respective countries and indeed  the world over, so that means something.

    I don't really raise an eye-brow at players from Roma, Lazio and Inter to a lesser extent, since Inter buy most of their players already finished.  Roma for me is a second-tire team, i don't view them in the same bracket as Juventus and Ac Milan.  Players at Roma have to be superb for recognition like Totti, after that, I don't want many of their players...especially since Emerson & co. left.  well Juan is there now, but they're not a big club in my view, but MUST be respected.  They're like Tottenham in terms of England for me but have been successful.  If De Rossi were at Milan, he would've been much better, take for example Pirlo.



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  •  11-22-2007, 7.25 50912 in reply to 50394
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    that list above is inaccurate on sooo many levels. figo @ 4 wtf...

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  •  11-23-2007, 17.01 50975 in reply to 50912
    Re: Most overrated players.

    bare in mind that we will NEVER get a list that will be agreed on, but i actualy think that it's relatively accurate...

    Figo has kinda won trophies everywhere he's gone being a major contributor as well although this Inter Milan saga is going to be debateable right down to the wire.  Don't be surprised that years later Ac Milan and Juventus appeal the decision and get back their pride and trophies.

    I mean, given Maradona's "hand of God",  he was more or less Zico in club terms perhaps....

    However, I find the entire talk about the greatest ever players a little odd for several reasons because unlike Michael Jordan, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Michael Johnson, Pete Sampras, Sir Garfield Sobers, Ali, Brazil, etc in football there is no one player that absolutely dominated.  For example, in this list:  Roger Federer won 3 out of 4 grand slams, i think twice ~ and finished the year only losing 2 games and winning in excess of 70.  Michael Johnson ~ fastest 200 & 400 metre runner and still could've ran faster.  Tiger Woods, holder of all the majors at once and defended them i think, Brazil ~ 5 world cups and threaten to win more immediately and so on.  In football, it's a team sport, so talking about players kinda will always be controversial since Roberto Carlos can argue that he won trophies just like Zidane and Rivaldo will say it's not my fault Van Gaal & co. were idiots, but my contributions are there for everyone to see.  So i think simply that football should try to model what the NBA does with their great players although if Michael Jordan won 4 titles instead of 6, people might've said that Shaq was better, so trophies are important too...



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  •  12-31-2007, 9.55 52150 in reply to 50912
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    Talking about 'lists', I forgot to include England to my 'Overrated Teams List'.

    Most Overrated Team in the World: England; Frank Lampard, Shauwn Wright Phillips, Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard, etc, etc.. All the hype talked about English Football, and England can't even manage to qualify for a Euro Cup.

    As it's been said all around the net - England need to change their game tactics.. Long ball tactics are not proving effective, etc, etc..

    They need to replace their Frank Lampards with Zinedine Zidanes.. Something very unlikely given England's rigid tactical scheme, English Football implies great physichal attributes, but it doesn't haves room for creativity and natural genius.

    England needs to realise that great teams aren't nesesarily made up by the 'best' players, each player plays a different role and each role requires different attributes. It's not all about the pace, the acceleration, and the physichal conditioning, what good is a playmaker with Ronaldo's pace and Shauwn Wright Phillips brains?? Frank Lampard isn't a great playmaker, Steven Gerrard isn't a great playmaker, who is England's playmaker?? Talents such as Matt Le Tissier have been wasted in the past due to England's ignorance, but why keep making the same mistakes?? Has the so called English 'long ball' Football given anything back to England?? No thophies, no beautifull displays, no praise.. it is a loose-loose situation for England if they keep going in the same direction.


    Johan Cruijff; "Simple football is the most beautiful. But playing simple football is the hardest thing".



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  •  12-31-2007, 10.10 52151 in reply to 50975
    Re: Most overrated players.

    I agree with you on the part about football's greatest player, I think it is impossible to choose a definitive best player of all time, there are very few in my opinion, but to choose between Pele, and Maradona, and Cruijff, and Di Stefano is extremely difficult given the different styles of play and different Eras in wich they played.

    But to say Luis Figo is the 4th greatest player of all-time is very far out as well as ridiculous. And not having Fernando Hierro in there is an insult to both Real Madrid and Spanish Football.

    And as for the greatest player ever, I actually think FIFA or someone should arrange some kinds of ratings for each position; best playmaker of all-time, best striker of all-time, best defender of all-time, best midfielder, etc, etc.. This way some players like Carlos Valderrama will not be subestimated, as Carlos Valderrama would rate very highly on a playmaker's list. And Fernando Hierro and Bobby Moore would certainly receive more recognition.

     


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