Have you ever heard how Inter fans, or better said Ronaldo-Fans describe Ronaldo? No? Well, the most popular remarks go like this; "No one could touch him in his time with Inter, the best player of all-times when he played for Barcelona and Inter." Yeah, well I think that's too far-out, it's a mythical description of an outstanding player, but is an exagerated description nonetheless. Ronaldo played with his well known Brazilian style, he was a prolific scorer, and was explosive, and that's about it. Ronaldo's one of the best players of the last 20 years, but stating he's one of the top-ten best players of all-time is very far-out. There are a lot of players in the history of the game who have been better, players like Pele, Diego Maradona, Alfredo di Stefano, Johan Cruijff, Ferenc Puskas, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, have all been better players. And Roberto Baggio, Luis Figo, Raul, Zinedine Zidane, Alessandro Del Piero, Roberto Carlos, David Beckham, Eric Cantona, Juan Roman Riquelme, Henrik Larsson, Paolo Maldini, Fernando Hierro, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Deco, Rivaldo, and many others have enjoyed more success in their club careers.

And as for Ronaldo's international career, incredible record, two World Cup finals, one World Cup Title, and Top-Scorer in World Cup history (finally breaking Gerd Muller's record). But it would be unfair to overlooke Bebeto's and Rivaldo's contributions in the 1998 World Cup. It would be even more foolish to ignore that Rivaldo was the best player of the 2002 World Cup, scoring 5 goals and making plenty of assists. The bottom line about Ronaldo's international career is that he's been an outstanding player for Brazil, one of the best, but he never accomplished something similar to what Diego Maradona did in 1986, or what Mario Kempes did in 1978, or what Roberto Baggio did in 1994.

So anyways, I've read too many times how successful Ronaldo has been in his club career, how he's never failed at any club, and I've always thought about those statements as undeserved. Let's see "The Phenomenon's" club career, Ronaldo started his career at Brazilian club Cruzeiro, where he scored 12 Goals in 13 Appearances and won the Brazilian Cup in 1993. After this PSV Eindhoven signed the promising star for US$6 million, and Ronaldo repaid them by scoring 42 Goals in 46 Appearances but failing to win the 'Eredivisie'. After two seasons with PSV (1994-1996), Barcelona signed the player, and at Barcelona he showed tremendous form but once again failed to win 'the important trophies'. His time with Barcelona was outstanding, but he only played one season, 1996-1997, and in that season he didn't acomplished much. He failed to win the Spanish La Liga, the Copa del Rey, and the Champions League.

After only one year at Barcelona, he signed for Inter, and it was at Inter that Ronaldo's short-comings showed once again. Everyone one talks about Ronaldo's mythical form in Inter, but what did he accomplished with Inter?? He played five years for Inter, 1997-2002, and he only made 69 Appearances. Yes he scored 49 Goals, but he only made 69 Appearances in 50 Months!! and to make it worst  he only won the UEFA Cup (1998), What's so amazing about that?? And finally, after practically not playing for Inter between 1999-2002, Ronaldo back-stabed Inter with a controversial move to the Bernabeu. Ronaldo signed for Real Madrid in 2002, and managed to win an Intercontinental Cup in 2002 (in wich he was player of the match), and a La Liga Title in season 2002-03. Along with the UEFA Cup This are and remain the only 'Prestigious Club Titles' Ronaldo as won in club football. Nevertheless, Ronaldo played for Real Madrid five seasons, and never won a Copa del Rey with them, nor a Champions League. As a matter of fact, Ronaldo as never reached a Champions League Final, wich makes his 'successfull club career' remarks questionable. And at AC Milan?? Started of well with 7 Goals in 14 Appearances, but once again is showing his injury issues. Only making 14 Appearances in 5 or 6 Months, looks like this will be another Inter-like-dissapointment. Ronaldo's club career serves as a remainder that scoring goals and actually achieving something are two completely different things, and as for the goals (Ronaldo, 227 in his club career), there are plenty of players who have scored the same or more, players like Roberto Baggio (318 club career goals), Gabriel Batistuta (299 club career goals), and many others.

No one can question Ronaldo's class, he's a great striker, one of the best of this era. But his club career is far from successful, Ronaldo falled short from expectations at both Inter and Real Madrid, Ronaldo as never reached a Champions League Final, and Ronaldo has only won one League Title in his career (that is La Liga, 2002-2003). Surely his International career's been one to remember, but his club career is quite an indifferent one, as Ronaldo as failed to make the history books of PSV Eindhoven, FC Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid.

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                                ¿Do you think Ronaldo's 3 'World Player of the Year' awards are well deserved?

My answer to that question is no. Samuel Eto'o scored more goals, made more assists, and he never won The FIFA 'World Player of the Year' Award. In fact, Samuel Eto'o became the first 'La Liga' player since 1990 to score fifty goals over two seasons during the 2005-06 campaign, and what's more Eto'o actualy acomplished something with Barcelona, he won 2 La Liga Titles (2005, and 2006) and 1 Champions League (2006).

                               ¿Why didn't Samuel Eto'o won a single World Player of the Year award?

I honestly have no idea, although I think there's no justification for it. On the other hand the other Barcelona player, the Brazilian one, Ronaldinho won two consecutive FIFA World Player of the Year awards (2004, 2005). I think Samuel Eto'o deserved at least one of those awards, but it seems that the 'FIFA Award' haves a huge inclination towards Brazilian players. I mean, look at the stats:

                                    Samuel Eto'o - 2004-05/ FC Barcelona, 29 Goals, and 0 Assists.

                                    Ronaldinho - 2004-05/ FC Bracelona, 15 Goals, and 0 Assists.

                                    Samuel Eto'o - 2005-06/ FC Barcelona, 32 Goals, and 9 Assists.

                                    Ronaldinho - 2005-06/ FC Barcelona, 25 Goals, and 17 Assists.

According to the statictics, Samuel Eto'o should've won the FIFA 'World Player of the Year' award at least in 2004. And Eto'o was just as outstanding in his performances as in his statistics, so this are not just statistics. There's no justification for Ronaldinho's World Player of the Year award in 2004, yeah Dinho deserved in 2005, but Eto'o deserved the other one (2004), and if it wasn't Eto'o it should have gone to Deco who won the UEFA Champions League and the Portuguese Liga in 2004 with FC Porto. And as a matter of fact, FC Barcelona as failed to win a single trophy without Samuel Eto'o, this happened in 2003 (when Ronaldinho played without Samuel Eto'o and Deco), and in 2007 (when Eto'o was out injured for most of the season). Just a remainder that Xavi distributed the play, Deco did the hard-work, Samuel Eto'o scored the goals, and Ronaldinho was the show.

Is there a reasonable explanation for Ronaldo winning 3 World Player of the Year awards, and for Ronaldinho winning 2 consecutive World Player of the Year awards, while players like Francesco Totti, Thierry Henry, Steven Gerrard, Deco, Samuel Eto'o, and many others have never won it?? What do you/the 'goal community' think?? Is it fair?? or is it biased??

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entusiasta:

Have you ever heard how Inter fans, or better said Ronaldo-Fans describe Ronaldo? No? Well, the most popular remarks go like this; "No one could touch him in his time with Inter, the best player of all-times when he played for Barcelona and Inter." Yeah, well I think that's too far-out, it's a mythical description of an outstanding player, but is an exagerated description nonetheless. Ronaldo played with his well known Brazilian style, he was a prolific scorer, and was explosive, and that's about it. Ronaldo's one of the best players of the last 20 years, but stating he's one of the top-ten best players of all-time is very far-out. There are a lot of players in the history of the game who have been better, players like Pele, Diego Maradona, Alfredo di Stefano, Johan Cruijff, Ferenc Puskas, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, have all been better players. And Roberto Baggio, Luis Figo, Raul, Zinedine Zidane, Alessandro Del Piero, Roberto Carlos, David Beckham, Eric Cantona, Juan Roman Riquelme, Henrik Larsson, Paolo Maldini, Fernando Hierro, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Deco, Rivaldo, and many others have enjoyed more success in their club careers

 

 

Honestly I never thought you were this pathetic. I am going to break my policy of going easy on the insults this time.

Honestly and with all due respect to the legends you mentioned in your list RVN, Cantonna, Riquelme, Larsson, ADP, Becks Hierro, Deco and even Rivaldo are simply NOT in Ronaldo's class. Saying that they are better because they were fortunate to be on CL winning teams is like saying Seedorf is better than Maradonna because Diego NEVER won a CL

entusiasta:

And as for Ronaldo's international career, incredible record, two World Cup finals, one World Cup Title, and Top-Scorer in World Cup history (finally breaking Gerd Muller's record). But it would be unfair to overlooke Bebeto's and Rivaldo's contributions in the 1998 World Cup. It would be even more foolish to ignore that Rivaldo was the best player of the 2002 World Cup, scoring 5 goals and making plenty of assists. The bottom line about Ronaldo's international career is that he's been an outstanding player for Brazil, one of the best, but he never accomplished something similar to what Diego Maradona did in 1986, or what Mario Kempes did in 1978, or what Roberto Baggio did in 1994

Yes Mr Wikipedia, what DID Baggio do in '94?? Oh that's right he came runner up..no one is aking anything away from his virtuoso performance during the tournament....but he didn't win it for Italy. Neither was he the only fantastic player in the squad.

entusiasta:

So anyways, I've read too many times how successful Ronaldo has been in his club career, how he's never failed at any club, and I've always thought about those statements as undeserved. Let's see "The Phenomenon's" club career, Ronaldo started his career at Brazilian club Cruzeiro, where he scored 12 Goals in 13 Appearances and won the Brazilian Cup in 1993. After this PSV Eindhoven signed the promising star for US$6 million, and Ronaldo repaid them by scoring 42 Goals in 46 Appearances but failing to win the 'Eredivisie'. After two seasons with PSV (1994-1996), Barcelona signed the player, and at Barcelona he showed tremendous form but once again failed to win 'the important trophies'. His time with Barcelona was outstanding, but he only played one season, 1996-1997, and in that season he didn't acomplished much. He failed to win the Spanish La Liga, the Copa del Rey, and the Champions League

This is getting more inane as the time goes.......by your silly reasoning Riquelme >> Maradonna because Riquelme won far more with Boca. Really if a player is a consistent goalscorere and has an average that's closer to 1 than 0.5, is it REALLY his fault that his team doesn't win stuff?? Is he Supposed to play in midfield defence and in goal too? look at how many trophies Gila has had at such a young age.....can we logically call him better at Ronaldo who at age 31 STILL hasn't won a CL

entusiasta:

After only one year at Barcelona, he signed for Inter, and it was at Inter that Ronaldo's short-comings showed once again. Everyone one talks about Ronaldo's mythical form in Inter, but what did he accomplished with Inter?? He played five years for Inter, 1997-2002, and he only made 69 Appearances. Yes he scored 49 Goals, but he only made 69 Appearances in 50 Months!! and to make it worst  he only won the UEFA Cup (1998), What's so amazing about that?? And finally, after practically not playing for Inter between 1999-2002, Ronaldo back-stabed Inter with a controversial move to the Bernabeu. Ronaldo signed for Real Madrid in 2002, and managed to win an Intercontinental Cup in 2002 (in wich he was player of the match), and a La Liga Title in season 2002-03. Along with the UEFA Cup This are and remain the only 'Prestigious Club Titles' Ronaldo as won in club football. Nevertheless, Ronaldo played for Real Madrid five seasons, and never won a Copa del Rey with them, nor a Champions League. As a matter of fact, Ronaldo as never reached a Champions League Final, wich makes his 'successfull club career' remarks questionable. And at AC Milan?? Started of well with 7 Goals in 14 Appearances, but once again is showing his injury issues. Only making 14 Appearances in 5 or 6 Months, looks like this will be another Inter-like-dissapointment. Ronaldo's club career serves as a remainder that scoring goals and actually achieving something are two completely different things, and as for the goals (Ronaldo, 227 in his club career), there are plenty of players who have scored the same or more, players like Roberto Baggio (318 club career goals), Gabriel Batistuta (299 club career goals), and many others

"what's so amazing about that" I'll tell you....it's that it's still not idiot proof so you can continue knocking his record. of course the way he left Inter is an integral part or an argument made by someone so desperate to clutch at straws like yourself. Keep with your ingenious theory of knocking a player for not playing while serioulsy injured....while you're at it kindly blast Eto'o, Messi, Sheva, Owen, ADP and Pippo for their long spells out as well

entusiasta:

No one can question Ronaldo's class, he's a great striker, one of the best of this era. But his club career is far from successful, Ronaldo falled short from expectations at both Inter and Real Madrid, Ronaldo as never reached a Champions League Final, and Ronaldo has only won one League Title in his career (that is La Liga, 2002-2003). Surely his International career's been one to remember, but his club career is quite an indifferent one, as Ronaldo as failed to make the history books of PSV Eindhoven, FC Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid

Show me a player who played for ALL the top clubs outside England and did that well and I'll gladly castrate myself

 

entusiasta:

¿Do you think Ronaldo's 3 'World Player of the Year' awards are well deserved?

My answer to that question is no. Samuel Eto'o scored more goals, made more assists, and he never won The FIFA 'World Player of the Year' Award. In fact, Samuel Eto'o became the first 'La Liga' player since 1990 to score fifty goals over two seasons during the 2005-06 campaign, and what's more Eto'o actualy acomplished something with Barcelona, he won 2 La Liga Titles (2005, and 2006) and 1 Champions League (2006).

                               ¿Why didn't Samuel Eto'o won a single World Player of the Year award?

I honestly have no idea, although I think there's no justification for it. On the other hand the other Barcelona player, the Brazilian one, Ronaldinho won two consecutive FIFA World Player of the Year awards (2004, 2005). I think Samuel Eto'o deserved at least one of those awards, but it seems that the 'FIFA Award' haves a huge inclination towards Brazilian players. I mean, look at the stats:

                                    Samuel Eto'o - 2004-05/ FC Barcelona, 29 Goals, and 0 Assists.

                                    Ronaldinho - 2004-05/ FC Bracelona, 15 Goals, and 0 Assists.

                                    Samuel Eto'o - 2005-06/ FC Barcelona, 32 Goals, and 9 Assists.

                                    Ronaldinho - 2005-06/ FC Barcelona, 25 Goals, and 17 Assists.

According to the statictics, Samuel Eto'o should've won the FIFA 'World Player of the Year' award at least in 2004. And Eto'o was just as outstanding in his performances as in his statistics, so this are not just statistics. There's no justification for Ronaldinho's World Player of the Year award in 2004, yeah Dinho deserved in 2005, but Eto'o deserved the other one (2004), and if it wasn't Eto'o it should have gone to Deco who won the UEFA Champions League and the Portuguese Liga in 2004 with FC Porto. And as a matter of fact, FC Barcelona as failed to win a single trophy without Samuel Eto'o, this happened in 2003 (when Ronaldinho played without Samuel Eto'o and Deco), and in 2007 (when Eto'o was out injured for most of the season). Just a remainder that Xavi distributed the play, Deco did the hard-work, Samuel Eto'o scored the goals, and Ronaldinho was the show.

Is there a reasonable explanation for Ronaldo winning 3 World Player of the Year awards, and for Ronaldinho winning 2 consecutive World Player of the Year awards, while players like Francesco Totti, Thierry Henry, Steven Gerrard, Deco, Samuel Eto'o, and many others have never won it?? What do you/the 'goal community' think?? Is it fair?? or is it biased??

Of course your statistics are ever so conveniently taken AFTER the era where Ronaldo won the WOPY.  The era you are talking about is an often injured, never fit and undermotivated Ronaldo, who NEVER won a WOPY in that condition. Not even the most fanatical Ronaldo hater could say ANYTING bad about him in the years he won it...which makes your argument very very poor.  As for Ronaldinho his role is NOT as the main scoring threat on the team......I thought you understood this my maybe you need to master your command of the obvious.

Notice how well Barca is doing in Ronaldinho's down time?? As for assists...assists are only recorded for the direct pass before a goal.....hence ronaldinho can rip through a whole team and pass it to player X who then passes it to the scorere.....Player X gets the assist even the whole move was created by ronaldinho....it isn't fair but most sane people would give Ronaldinho credit for creating the play. You on the other hand would applaud playerX

 

Why don't you compare Ronaldo's short stint at Barca to Eto'o's ? You are justifying everything by your own stupid twisted logic. I know that I am a biased Ronaldo junkie/groupie...but your post was a fact starved pile of $#!T, motivate by your frustration, hatred and jealousy  of the world's love affair with Brazilian players.

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You can have this one.....
the other 99 belong to us
Forza Ronaldo!
Forza Milan!

If you don't recognise an honest piece of work when you see one, f-u-c-k you, Ronaldo's international career was great, but his club career was dissapointing. Even a blind man can see that, you don't see it that way, then please fell free to post something that is actually revelant to this topic, instead of the pile of s-h-i-t you just replied with.

I don't know, only one League in his whole career isn't good, sorry, not even reaching a Champions League Final with either Barcelona, Inter, or Real Madrid isn't a coincidence, maybe Ronaldo's style of play isn't good for a team's collectiveness / team-work, Ronaldo plays for himself more than anything. If you can't see that, I feel for you, but Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid are no ordinary teams.

So whatever, if you feel up to making a good-revelant post to defend your opinion fine, but if you're going to make another reply explaining absolutely nothing, and simply stating bull-s-h-i-t, fell free to embarass yourself once more. I'm talking club career, not international career, as it seems you don't understand that.

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And yes at club level, Juan Roman Riquelme has enjoyed more succes than Maradona, at least on South American Football (keep in mind Maradona played more years than Riquelme in South America), if you for 'some' reason can't understand that, there's nothing I can do.

And as a matter of fact, Diego Maradona is also more successful than Ronaldo at club level, he managed to win two 'Scudettos' for Napoli (a team for wich Maradona was the heart and soul), Maradona won more Leagues with Napoli than Ronaldo in his whole career. Diego Maradona is well written in the history books of Napoli, something Juan Roman Riquelme also accomplished with Boca Juniors and Villarreal. Ronaldo?? He's never been an inluential figure in any of his clubs's histories, PSV Eindhoven never won a League with Ronaldo, nor reached a Champions League Semi-Final with Ronaldo. This is the simple-honest truth, it's not my fault Ronaldo dissapointed, I'm just writting the true facts instead of the 'Ronaldo-junkie based' fairy tales.

Just a remainder that 'drucurl' is a Ronaldo junkie, and didn't make one single revelant fact in that last reply of his. Ridiculous!! No one likes to hear the truth this clear.

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According to my statistics he Won 2 World Cups..(may be wrong)

1994 and 2002..

he was a reserve or a sub at 1994 but still he won it..

Yes he won no Cl, but did riquelme...

in other words Seedorf,inzaghi,Gilardino,eto,and others are better than Ronaldo?(Na)

Tell me have you really seen him play..

It is not his problem that he gets tackled alot..

DOnt forget he got an Injury before 2002 that lamost left him paralized..

yet he came back and won the W.C..

and if you were watching at that time..He saved Brazil....

And you know it's nmot all about scoring and assists...

I can score and give asists more than ROnaldo in a Mini-League...

but it is when he get 3 defenders on him and leaves his partner..alone...

This is Magic..

Taht eeven Maradona Lacked..

Maradona was a pure selfish player....

Ronaldo isnt..

That's the difference....

Evenm if the Cups are on Maradona's side.....

It's the thing he did on the ground that matter........

He didnt score a goal with his hand did he????

Entusiasta You surely lack of Knowledge concerning lot of football statistics

and by the way you tottally contidict yourself..

in really low number of games he scores lot of goals..

That's pure Talent my friend..

Maradona and Riquleme....dont have it

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Soldier I have simpaty towards you becasue you are an enthusiastic football fan. But it seriously pisses me off everytime I see you writte that "Maradona was too selfish". It is you/Soldier who seems to lack the Football knowledge here, ¿Do you really think a selfish player would win two Scudettos by his own?? Of course not!! Maradona was a strategist, a team-player, how do you think he managed to get average sides (like Riquelme with Boca Juniors in 2007, and with Villarreal) to do great things, a selfish player can't do the things that Diego Maradona did for Napoli, or Michel Platini did for Juventus, or Juan Roman Riquelme did for Boca Juniors.

I'm not stating or even hinting that Clarence Seedorf, etc.. are better players than Ronaldo, I'm just saying very simply that Clarence Seedoerf and players like him have been more succesful than Ronaldo in their club careers, that they actually achieved things with their clubs, that they are well written in their club's history books. That's all I'm saying, and again this is Club Football not International Football. And if your going to give Ronaldo the undeserved price of two World Cup Titles, well I don't really care, because everyone knows that the 1994 World Cup was won mainly by Romario's and Bebeto's brilliance. And everyone also knows that Ronaldo didn't played one second of that World Cup, none, zero. And as for the 2002 World Cup, Ronaldo won it and he was an important player for Brazil, but the player of that Tournament was Rivaldo not Ronaldo. Even Philipe Scolari (Brazil's coach at the time, 2002) himself as said more than once - "the 2002 World Cup was Rivaldo's Tournament.." 

By the way, Juan Roman Riquelme as won 3 Copa Libertadores, make no mistake about it. Riquelme's won 3 Argentine Titles, and 3 Copa Libertadores, just to clear it out for you Soldier. And as a matter of fact, Riquelme has reached the Champions League Semi-Finals with Villarreal, and in case you didn't knew - The farthest Ronaldo has ever gone in a Champions League, is the Semi-Finals. Only difference is that Ronaldo played for teams like Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid.

If Ronaldo had magic, Maradona was the wizard who invented it. And for the record, Ronaldo is miles and miles more selfish than Maradona, just watch him play for goodnes sake!! Ronaldo is not a team-player, Ronaldo is selfish, he plays for himself, always has and always will, that's why he has been such an indifferent player at Club Career Level.

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The post title is "Ronaldo's dissapointing club carrer", Club career not International career.

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entusiasta:

If you don't recognise an honest piece of work when you see one, f-u-c-k you, Ronaldo's international career was great, but his club career was dissapointing. Even a blind man can see that, you don't see it that way, then please fell free to post something that is actually revelant to this topic, instead of the pile of s-h-i-t you just replied with.

I don't know, only one League in his whole career isn't good, sorry, not even reaching a Champions League Final with either Barcelona, Inter, or Real Madrid isn't a coincidence, maybe Ronaldo's style of play isn't good for a team's collectiveness / team-work, Ronaldo plays for himself more than anything. If you can't see that, I feel for you, but Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid are no ordinary teams.

So whatever, if you feel up to making a good-revelant post to defend your opinion fine, but if you're going to make another reply explaining absolutely nothing, and simply stating bull-s-h-i-t, fell free to embarass yourself once more. I'm talking club career, not international career, as it seems you don't understand that.

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And yes at club level, Juan Roman Riquelme has enjoyed more succes than Maradona, at least on South American Football (keep in mind Maradona played more years than Riquelme in South America), if you for 'some' reason can't understand that, there's nothing I can do.

And as a matter of fact, Diego Maradona is also more successful than Ronaldo at club level, he managed to win two 'Scudettos' for Napoli (a team for wich Maradona was the heart and soul), Maradona won more Leagues with Napoli than Ronaldo in his whole career. Diego Maradona is well written in the history books of Napoli, something Juan Roman Riquelme also accomplished with Boca Juniors and Villarreal. Ronaldo?? He's never been an inluential figure in any of his clubs's histories, PSV Eindhoven never won a League with Ronaldo, nor reached a Champions League Semi-Final with Ronaldo. This is the simple-honest truth, it's not my fault Ronaldo dissapointed, I'm just writting the true facts instead of the 'Ronaldo-junkie based' fairy tales.

Just a remainder that 'drucurl' is a Ronaldo junkie, and didn't make one single revelant fact in that last reply of his. Ridiculous!! No one likes to hear the truth this clear.

It's really a pain talking to you.  You didn't see anything relevant in what I said because you didn't want to.
These are Ronaldo's  club awards :

Club

Cruzeiro

• Brazilian Cup:1993

PSV Eindhoven

• Dutch Cup: 1996

FC Barcelona

• Cup Winners' Cup: 1997
• Spanish Super Cup: 1996

Internazionale

• UEFA Cup: 1998

Real Madrid

• Intercontinental Cup: 2002
• La Liga - Primera División champions: 2002/2003
• Spanish Super Cup: 2003

Individual

• FIFA World Player of the Year: 1996 (youngest winner), 1997, 2002
• World Soccer Player of the Year: 1996 (youngest winner), 1997, 2002
• European Footballer of the Year (Ballon d'Or): 1997 (youngest winner), 2002
• Onze d'Or: 1997, 2002
• UEFA Most Valuable Player - 1998
• UEFA Club Football Awards: Best Forward - 1998
• FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1998, 2002
• European Golden Boot: 1997
• Copa América 1999: Top Scorer
• Spanish League Top Scorer: 1996-1997, 2003-2004
• Dutch League Top Scorer: 1994-1995
• Intercontinental Cup MVP: 2002
• BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality: 2002
• GoldenFoot Award:
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• 2006 Yip it's taken from your favourite source Wikipedia

 

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You can have this one.....
the other 99 belong to us
Forza Ronaldo!
Forza Milan!

entusiasta:

Soldier I have simpaty towards you becasue you are an enthusiastic football fan. But it seriously pisses me off everytime I see you writte that "Maradona was too selfish". It is you/Soldier who seems to lack the Football knowledge here, ¿Do you really think a selfish player would win two Scudettos by his own?? Of course not!! Maradona was a strategist, a team-player, how do you think he managed to get average sides (like Riquelme with Boca Juniors in 2007, and with Villarreal) to do great things, a selfish player can't do the things that Diego Maradona did for Napoli, or Michel Platini did for Juventus, or Juan Roman Riquelme did for Boca Juniors.

I'm not stating or even hinting that Clarence Seedorf, etc.. are better players than Ronaldo, I'm just saying very simply that Clarence Seedoerf and players like him have been more succesful than Ronaldo in their club careers, that they actually achieved things with their clubs, that they are well written in their club's history books. That's all I'm saying, and again this is Club Football not International Football. And if your going to give Ronaldo the undeserved price of two World Cup Titles, well I don't really care, because everyone knows that the 1994 World Cup was won mainly by Romario's and Bebeto's brilliance. And everyone also knows that Ronaldo didn't played one second of that World Cup, none, zero. And as for the 2002 World Cup, Ronaldo won it and he was an important player for Brazil, but the player of that Tournament was Rivaldo not Ronaldo. Even Philipe Scolari (Brazil's coach at the time, 2002) himself as said more than once - "the 2002 World Cup was Rivaldo's Tournament.." 

By the way, Juan Roman Riquelme as won 3 Copa Libertadores, make no mistake about it. Riquelme's won 3 Argentine Titles, and 3 Copa Libertadores, just to clear it out for you Soldier. And as a matter of fact, Riquelme has reached the Champions League Semi-Finals with Villarreal, and in case you didn't knew - The farthest Ronaldo has ever gone in a Champions League, is the Semi-Finals. Only difference is that Ronaldo played for teams like Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid.

If Ronaldo had magic, Maradona was the wizard who invented it. And for the record, Ronaldo is miles and miles more selfish than Maradona, just watch him play for goodnes sake!! Ronaldo is not a team-player, Ronaldo is selfish, he plays for himself, always has and always will, that's why he has been such an indifferent player at Club Career Level.

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The post title is "Ronaldo's dissapointing club carrer", Club career not International career.

..Feel Same thing towards you pal...

Let us rewind through the History of Maradona..

The so called greatest goal..You are right it came from pure team effort...

Just like all the other goals he scored.......

ROnaldo was always a team player...Facts prove it...Unlike Maradona the worlds greatest drug taker.......

I know i dont need to prove it...We know who is the selfish and who isnt...

Yeah and about the 2002 world cup...Put Scholariin another place man...

Braziul Struglled in the Qualifiers..

Snitching a place in their last game.....

I remembr they called Romario Cuz they lacked of anybody that can score.....

Rivaldo did..I respect him..In fact he is better than Maradona and Riquelme..

But ROnaldo is the best....

Drucurl i just love it when you start posting facts......

 

 

 

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I was really hoping that you came with a better reply, but once again you came with something 'irrevelant'. Ronaldo's 'individual awards' have nothing to do with Ronaldo's succes at Club Level. Ronaldo basically won a World Player of the Year award everytime he managed to score a lot of goals, but as I stated in the first post, Ronaldo failed to win 'The Copa del Rey' and the 'UEFA Champions League' with Barcelona, and Real Madrid. In other words, all those 'Brazilian Cup', 'Dutch Cup', 'Cup Winners' Cup', 'Spanish Super Cup', etc.. all these trophie are not important, and are definitely not prestigious.

What happened with the 'Scudetto', the Spanish La Liga, the UEFA Champions League, and the Eredivisie?? Why is it that Ronaldo as only managed to win one League (La Liga, 2002-03) in his whole careeer?? Why is it that Ronaldo as failed to reach a Champions League Final with Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid?? Why didn't Ronaldo reached a Champions League Semi-Final with PSV Eindhoven?? You/drucurl were so fast to look for Ronaldo's individual awards, I would like it if you could explain to me with the same clarity - why as Ronaldo dissapointed at Club Level, not at Personal Level, not at Goals-Scoring Level, but at Club Level, as Ronaldo ever achieved anything with any club?? Because winning a Brazilian Cup, and Cup Winners' Cup is definitely not a good achievement.

Nevrtheless, thanks for posting Ronaldo's Club Career Trophies, this shows just shows how Ronaldo dissapointed at club level. Now if you agree, I could show Luis Figo's Club Trophies, or Zinedine Zidane's Club Achievements, or Fernando Hierro's Club Achievements, or Henrik Larsson's Club Trophies, etc, etc.. This would show the difference between players who were successful at club level, and players who dissapointed at club level. Like for example, a comparison between Luis Figo's club career, and Ronaldo's club career. That copmparison is a good one as it not only shows how Ronaldo dissapointed at club level, but it also shows that team-work is better and more effective than the egoistic-style-of-play of Ronaldo who has always played his trade - give me the ball, but don't expect a return pass, because I'll be performing my stylish bycicle move, and if it works I might score and if it doesn't win the ball back.

Ronaldo is mythical in his Barcelona days, but for some reason he failed to win the Spanish La Liga, The Copa del Rey, and the UEFA Champions League. Ronaldo also spoiled the chemistry that existed between Fernando Morientes and Raul in Real Madrid, for some reason Ronaldo took over Raul's position and Raul started declining, for some reason Real Madrid failed after Fernando Morientes left, and for some reason Real Madrid won the Spanish La Liga after years of not doing so just after Ronaldo was sacked by Fabio Capello. It looked like Real Madrid's collectivity or tem-collectiveness improved whithout Ronaldo, it looks like Real Madrid are La Liga leaders without Ronaldo. It looks like Ronaldo was quite indifferent for Real Madrid, only scoring goals but completely damaging team-collectiveness.

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He may not have big trophies in his bag concerning leagues..

But he is a great player..

he spent with real quite a time he managed to get 1La Liga...

Let me remind u that Luis Figo,Zidane,Raul,Cassias,and other players didnt win it there also...

Nowadays football isnot ike the football player by Maradona back in the 80s

you can't win a trophy alone...

You can contribute but u can't....

ROnaldo Spoiled What??

Lk Dont forget...ROnaldo has atleast 3-4 years ahead..We will see what he can do!!!!!

I Can promise you....

He will surprise.....!!!My friend....!!

And by the way congrats for Riquelme on his 2 goals!!

 

 

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The Soldier:

entusiasta:

 

 

Soldier I have simpaty towards you becasue you are an enthusiastic football fan. But it seriously pisses me off everytime I see you writte that "Maradona was too selfish". It is you/Soldier who seems to lack the Football knowledge here, ¿Do you really think a selfish player would win two Scudettos by his own?? Of course not!! Maradona was a strategist, a team-player, how do you think he managed to get average sides (like Riquelme with Boca Juniors in 2007, and with Villarreal) to do great things, a selfish player can't do the things that Diego Maradona did for Napoli, or Michel Platini did for Juventus, or Juan Roman Riquelme did for Boca Juniors.

I'm not stating or even hinting that Clarence Seedorf, etc.. are better players than Ronaldo, I'm just saying very simply that Clarence Seedoerf and players like him have been more succesful than Ronaldo in their club careers, that they actually achieved things with their clubs, that they are well written in their club's history books. That's all I'm saying, and again this is Club Football not International Football. And if your going to give Ronaldo the undeserved price of two World Cup Titles, well I don't really care, because everyone knows that the 1994 World Cup was won mainly by Romario's and Bebeto's brilliance. And everyone also knows that Ronaldo didn't played one second of that World Cup, none, zero. And as for the 2002 World Cup, Ronaldo won it and he was an important player for Brazil, but the player of that Tournament was Rivaldo not Ronaldo. Even Philipe Scolari (Brazil's coach at the time, 2002) himself as said more than once - "the 2002 World Cup was Rivaldo's Tournament.." 

By the way, Juan Roman Riquelme as won 3 Copa Libertadores, make no mistake about it. Riquelme's won 3 Argentine Titles, and 3 Copa Libertadores, just to clear it out for you Soldier. And as a matter of fact, Riquelme has reached the Champions League Semi-Finals with Villarreal, and in case you didn't knew - The farthest Ronaldo has ever gone in a Champions League, is the Semi-Finals. Only difference is that Ronaldo played for teams like Barcelona, Inter, and Real Madrid.

If Ronaldo had magic, Maradona was the wizard who invented it. And for the record, Ronaldo is miles and miles more selfish than Maradona, just watch him play for goodnes sake!! Ronaldo is not a team-player, Ronaldo is selfish, he plays for himself, always has and always will, that's why he has been such an indifferent player at Club Career Level.

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The post title is "Ronaldo's dissapointing club carrer", Club career not International career.

..Feel Same thing towards you pal...

Let us rewind through the History of Maradona..

The so called greatest goal..You are right it came from pure team effort...

Just like all the other goals he scored.......

ROnaldo was always a team player...Facts prove it...Unlike Maradona the worlds greatest drug taker.......

I know i dont need to prove it...We know who is the selfish and who isnt...

Yeah and about the 2002 world cup...Put Scholariin another place man...

Braziul Struglled in the Qualifiers..

Snitching a place in their last game.....

I remembr they called Romario Cuz they lacked of anybody that can score.....

Rivaldo did..I respect him..In fact he is better than Maradona and Riquelme..

But ROnaldo is the best....

Drucurl i just love it when you start posting facts......

 

 

 

Soldier just keep your mouth shut when you really have no idea of what you're talking about. Stating or simply hinting that Rivaldo and Ronaldo are better than All-Time Great Diego Armando Maradona is ridiculous, as well as laughable. For a start, just what age were you when Rivaldo used to be great, and what age were you when Ronaldo used to be great, did you actually saw them play in their prime??

And I'm not even asking about Diego Maradona, is ridiculously obvious you have never seen Maradona playing. Soldier want a clue?? Watch Leo Messi playing for Barcelona as that's the closest thing to Maradona you'll get, and after doing that ask yourself ¿Is Leo Massi a selfish player?? Or am I just ignoring all the team-plays he performs?? Certainly Diego Maradona as well as Leo Messi are much better team-players than Ronaldo. Unlike Ronaldo, neither one of them (Maradona and Messi) diminishes team-collectiveness, and neither one of them needs a team to play for them.

If you disagree with that last fact I mentioned, you/The Soldier are not watching football correctly, or simply you're an inconditional Ronaldo-Fan, just like drucurl and millions of football fans. But the world knows that Diego Maradona was much better than Ronaldo, the people who have seen Maradona and Ronaldo playing will never think twice about such a ridiculous comparison. The best player of all-times is between Pele and Maradona, is a divided opinion, half think Pele was better, and the other half thinks Maradona was better. But again, Ronaldo is not near Maradona, maybe you/The Soldier and drucurl disagree with me, but I'm sure most of the world agrees with me. If you like selfish players who don't know the first thing about team collectivity like Ronaldo, I have no problem with that, but I do have a problem with people saying 'science fiction' based things, like "Ronaldo is a team-player.." "Rivaldo is better than Maradona and Riquelme.." and "Maradona only played for himself.." This just shows the lack of respect and knowledge towards Football, and towards Football's greatest legends.

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...First of all i want to make things clear....

i Am not a Ronaldo-Addict..

My posts have proven that i am A persie-Addict..

Anyways you said something about Ronaldinho and Eto on the first post of this topic...

Eto is a striker ronaldinho isnt keep that in mind.....

Anyways..Let me not lie and say that i have watched any of Maradona's Matches live...

Oi have watched lot of replies.....That's a fact....

I watch leo-messi play...He is sometimes a true team player and sometimes he seeks personal Fame..

but at the end...His dream is for Barca to win....That's obvious...

Maradona is A great Player Better than Rivaldo?Yes,i"ll take my word off..

Better than ROnaldo?Na...and rememebr i am not a perrson that like to compare 2 players that player in different positions...

SO i bielieve it is better

to cut of the Ronald-Maradona comparison ..they both played in different positions..dont you think....

And Arent you a Riquelme-Addict.?

And i would lkike to ask you politely notto tell me to keep my mouth shut..

I never insulted you personally.....

I wouldnt say Most of the world...Maybe 1/4..

Regards The Soldier

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entusiasta are you in love with Argentinians or what???

Maradona and Pele are the best no doubt about that. But if it is a player with a talent that comes closer to them its Ronaldo.

Maybe he laks a bit in his caracter but he is World Class player, its true that he havent won trophies in club level but he can do that now in AC MILAN he is 31 years old and with his talent he can play for sure in high level until 35.

And as for Rivaldo better than Riquelme, all the world knows that so no need to talk about it.

Dardani:

 

 entusiasta are you in love with Argentinians or what???

Maradona and Pele are the best no doubt about that. But if it is a player with a talent that comes closer to them its Ronaldo.

Maybe he laks a bit in his caracter but he is World Class player, its true that he havent won trophies in club level but he can do that now in AC MILAN he is 31 years old and with his talent he can play for sure in high level until 35.

And as for Rivaldo better than Riquelme, all the world knows that so no need to talk about it.

No I'm not in love with Argentinians, as a matter of fact my favourite player is Juan Roman Riquelme, but apart from him Leo Messi's not one of my favourites, nor is Maradona. I'm just not a Brazilian lover like most of u AC Milan-Fans, I do not live in Kaka's ass, or hugely exagerate how good Ronaldo was in his prime.

I'm just stating the 'obvious', Ronaldo doesn't comes close to Maradona. Ronaldo is great, one of the best players of the past 20 years, but you never hear any Brazilian stating that Ronaldo comes after Pele and Maradona. Most Brazilians say that Garrincha and Zico are the best Brazilian players after Pele, and keep in mind this are Brazilians.

Damn Dardani you're as stupid as someone can get. How can someone say that Ronaldo comes after Maradona and Pele?? Have you ever seen Alfredo di Stefano, Johan Cruijff, George Best, Franz Beckanbauer, and many others play?? Franz Beckanbauer wasn't better than either Alfredo di Stefano or Johan Cruijff. But Beckenbauer was 100% better than Ronaldo, he won a World Cup, and threee Champions League. How can you say Ronaldo is better than Franz Beckenbauer and Johan Cruijff?? Because you are clearly a Ronaldo-Fan, and you clearly think of Brazilian players as of better quality or superior to the rest.

Rivaldo better than Riquelme? I have to disagree with that. I 've seen both of them play, and I must say that they are close, different, but close. However, I don't think Rivaldo is better than Riquelme. A brilliant 2002 World Cup though.

And as for Ronaldo's age, yes he is young, 31 years is not-old. But Ronaldo as sufered from very severe injuries in his career. And age is a relative thing in football, just like Luis Figo still is a great player at 35 years old, Ronaldo is already finished at 31 years old. Or, why do you think Dunga hasn't give Ronaldo a chance?? It's not becasue of lack of class, it's because Ronaldo is not the same player he used to be, get over it. It is obvious, just watch Ronaldo playing, judge Ronaldo on the pitch and you'll notice that he's way past it (just like Alessandro De Piero, another player who suffered a career threathening injury half-way through his career).

And lastly, Juan Roman Riquelme's been my favourite player for some years now. But I would never say Riquelme comes after Maradona or Pele, etc.. just like I would never say Ronaldo comes after Maradona or Pele. In my opinion Johan Cruijff is the best player of all times, he could play in any position, he had pace, devastating aceleration, technique, he had everything!! And in modern football, I regard Cesc Fabregas, Juan Roman Riquelme, Sergio Ramos, Leo Messi, Robinho, Luis Figo, and others, higher than Kaka. I'm not just about Juan Roman Riquelme, I'm just really dissapointed by some injutices, like for example, I don't care if you think Riquelme is not-that-good, or if Kaka is much better than Riquelme, that really doesn't bothers me. What really annoys me, is that Juan Roman Riquelme should be playing club football, but for some personal reasons he's not. It is unacceptable that Riquelme can't even find a good European club to play for, and it is even more unfortunate that some people-football-fans come up with the most ridiculous made up things (speculation) about Riquelme.

But I have no grudge against Brazilians, I just never thought much of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, and now of Kaka. However, I do love to watch Robinho when he's having a good game, he's a pleasure to watch. And by the way, Soldier, Ronaldo played the same position as Samuel Eto'o. So how can you explain to me, or give me a reasonable explanation for Ronaldo winning the World Player of the Year award while he played for Barcelona?? Samuel Et'o and Ronaldo played in the same position for Barcelona. The difference between them is that Samuel Eto'o scored more goals, made much more assists, and actually won the Spanish La Liga and the UEFA Champions League. So tell my Soldier, cause I would like to know, why did Ronaldo won the World Player of the Year award with Barcelona?? And why didn't Samuel Eto'o won the World Player of the Year award with Barcelona?? Doesn't it looks a little unreasonable?? I mean, Eto'o did score more goals and made more assists than Ronaldo, and unlike Ronaldo, Eto'o managed to win La Liga and the Champions League. So why didn't Samuel Eto'o won the FIFA award?? You tell me Soldier, as you seem to know better than me.

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